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nicole wrote:
14 Jan 2020, 17:52
This article just keeps getting better and better all the way until the penultimate paragraph, about how Elizabeth Stoker Bruenig doesn’t realize that exactly who she is is an enemy of fun: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/arch ... nt/604876/
She's also clueless in other ways:
Regardless of how much Americans love to drink, the country could be safer and healthier if we treated booze more like we treat cigarettes. The lack of serious discussion about raising alcohol prices or limiting its sale speaks to all the ground Americans have ceded to the “good guys” who have fun. And judging by the health statistics, we’re amusing ourselves to death.
Um ... America DOES treat booze like we treat cigarettes. In fact, in many ways we treat booze even more harshly: its sale is indeed restricted (to people above a certain age), and in many if not most states there are even laws limited what times and days it can legally be sold. If you want cigarettes you can buy them 24/7, but if you want to buy a bottle of booze in the middle of the night, most of the time you're out of luck. In most of America (with Bourbon Street in New Orleans being the one exception I can think of), it is illegal to consume alcohol ANYWHERE in public. It is illegal to consume alcohol while you are driving a motor vehicle; there is no such prohibition on cigarettes (at least not when you're driving alone). Etc.
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Also, for all the historical background, she neglected to mention that one major reason the 19th-century temperance movement was so especially popular with American women was because they were basically using it as a roundabout way to tackle a very real legal and social problem: if you were a married woman, you legally had no money of your own; everything belonged to your husband. And if he was an alcoholic who drank the family grocery money, or beat you or your children, you were SOL -- can't earn your own money, can't make him use his/yours to support you, can't even divorce the bastard -- so the temperance women focused on the "my husband is a drunk" side of the problem, rather than the "I am legally and financially dependent on this man no matter what" aspect of the status quo.
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If we're going to ban, sorry "regulate the sale of" anything, it should be the writings of Kant. The Categorical Imperative has destroyed more lives than alcohol ever will.
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any definition anti-alcohol are Mothers Against Drunk Driving—which mainly focuses on just that
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If we're going to ban, sorry "regulate the sale of" anything, it should be the writings of Kant. The Categorical Imperative has destroyed more lives than alcohol ever will.
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lunchstealer wrote:
15 Jan 2020, 11:28
Hugh Akston wrote:
14 Jan 2020, 18:57
If we're going to ban, sorry "regulate the sale of" anything, it should be the writings of Kant. The Categorical Imperative has destroyed more lives than alcohol ever will.
He was a real pissant. And very rarely stable.
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I have been informed that the knitting community is all up in arms about this article, at least partly because the headline says "crochet" but the woman in the picture is knitting.
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nicole wrote:
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I thought we had broken off a separate thread for the 1619 project discussion but I guess not.
Interesting update

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nicole wrote:
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nicole wrote:
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I thought we had broken off a separate thread for the 1619 project discussion but I guess not.
Interesting update
And for some reason that was the magic thing that made them actually update the passage after six months of maligning everyone else who complained about it



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"some of"? Two? Three? What were there names?
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Most of the northern colonies were free states by 1800, the southern states not so much. Though Britain didn't abolish the slave trade until 1807 and slavery until 1833.
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Hugh Akston wrote:
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Most of the northern colonies were free states by 1800, the southern states not so much. Though Britain didn't abolish the slave trade until 1807 and slavery until 1833.
One interesting thing I learned a while back when visiting Nassau: yes, Britain abolished slavery and the Royal Navy even hunted slave ships. But what did they do with the Africans they freed? They put them ashore at the nearest port. But at that point, the Africans were aliens with no means of support...and so they got put into indentured servitude.
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Warren wrote:
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"some of"? Two? Three? What were there names?
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Hugh Akston wrote:
12 Mar 2020, 15:43
Most of the northern colonies were free states by 1800, the southern states not so much. Though Britain didn't abolish the slave trade until 1807 and slavery until 1833.
Right, and the whole issue here is whether the colonists revolted primarily because they thought the Somerset decision would abolish slavery. Which seems pretty unsupported.
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Pretty sure the virus isn't the reason he was seeking to formalize his President-For-Life status.
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Haberman is lucky for the Epstein interview or this would be the biggest self-own of the week.



Yes, imagine how Trump would do facing tough media questioning from NY media instead of softballs from (checks notes) The NY Times White House correspondent.
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