When journalism goes bad

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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by Dangerman » 12 Oct 2017, 16:16

I really enjoyed that they emphasized how 'anti feminist' = 'misogynist.

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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by Jennifer » 12 Oct 2017, 16:38

JD wrote:
12 Oct 2017, 14:59
Well, nobody knows vapid bullshit like Gawker!
I wasn't thrilled to see Amanda Marcotte quoted in the piece either, but still -- I focused on what it said rather than who said it.
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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by Jennifer » 12 Oct 2017, 16:44

I'm guessing that MediaMatters article was written in response (or as a followup to) Buzzfeed's recent article on "How Breitbart And Milo Smuggled Nazi and White Nationalist Ideas Into The Mainstream."

https://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstei ... .rwwjYRglw
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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by Jason » 12 Oct 2017, 17:26

I was reading "How NBC ‘Killed’ Ronan Farrow’s Weinstein Exposé" and the thought occurred to me — could the "Jackie" Rolling Stone story collapse and subsequent lawsuits have anything to do with NBC killing the Weinstein story?
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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by Jennifer » 12 Oct 2017, 17:36

Jason wrote:
12 Oct 2017, 17:26
I was reading "How NBC ‘Killed’ Ronan Farrow’s Weinstein Exposé" and the thought occurred to me — could the "Jackie" Rolling Stone story collapse and subsequent lawsuits have anything to do with NBC killing the Weinstein story?
I dunno -- I might be misremembering this (I haven't paid super-close attention to the Weinstein debacle), but wasn't there a fairly recent revelation/story on the theme "Yeah, the NY Times or some similarly august publication was going to publish a Weinstein expose a decade ago, but decided not to?" It appears that covering up for that scumbag was a thing long, looooong before "Jackie" gave publications some legitimately non-sleazy reasons to feel skittish about running such stories.
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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by nicole » 12 Oct 2017, 17:38

Yeah.
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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 12 Oct 2017, 18:00

As I recall, the Jackie story did not go through a proper editorial process, so it should have been obvious that there could be problems.
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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by dbcooper » 13 Oct 2017, 16:22

Slip inside a sleeping bag.

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Post by dbcooper » 14 Oct 2017, 03:05

Love that native advertising:

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Post by dbcooper » 21 Oct 2017, 18:22

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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by Mo » 23 Oct 2017, 22:41

Why do people still pretend Maria Bartiromo is a a journalist?
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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by Aresen » 24 Oct 2017, 00:15

Mo wrote:
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Why do people still pretend Maria Bartiromo is a a journalist?
Dunno. Some people pretend Donald Trump is a president.
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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by Warren » 24 Oct 2017, 00:49

Mo wrote:
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Why do people still pretend Maria Bartiromo is a a journalist?
She's ten times the journalist Barbra Walters is or ever was.
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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by Mo » 24 Oct 2017, 09:08

Warren wrote:
24 Oct 2017, 00:49
Mo wrote:
23 Oct 2017, 22:41
Why do people still pretend Maria Bartiromo is a a journalist?
She's ten times the journalist Barbra Walters is or ever was.
Bartiromo is a pillow soft interviewer. She makes Walters look like Prime Minister's Questions.
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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by dbcooper » 24 Oct 2017, 18:07

Vox has always been dumb as hell, but this takes the cake:

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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by dbcooper » 24 Oct 2017, 20:37

Slip inside a sleeping bag.

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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by nicole » 03 Nov 2017, 15:12

Actual wow

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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by JD » 03 Nov 2017, 17:30

So Gothamist (and some but not all of its sister sites, I think?) has shut down. I'm kind of puzzled by Joe Ricketts' and DNAinfo's decision to purchase the sites earlier this year only to shut down, since apparently DNAinfo had never turned a profit. A lot of people are complaining, "waah, Ricketts shut us down because we voted to unionize", but from what I can tell Gothamist was never that profitable either. Exact numbers are hard to come by, but I'm finding "Estimates quote the monthly revenue from Gothamist at $110,000" and "Ricketts’ decision puts 115 staff members out of work, including those at the New York locations who unionized and those in the other locations ― San Francisco, Chicago, Los Angeles and Washington, D.C. ― who did not." So it's a little unclear exactly how much money and how many people were involved, given that all of the other sites - sfist, chicagoist, laist, dcist - are still in operation. But if we're talking $110,000/mo and 115 staffers, I'm guessing they weren't profitable.

This kind of stuff is just tiresome, though: "“This is going to cause irreparable harm to news coverage in New York City,” he said. “Countless stories are not gonna be told and countless crooks are gonna get away with it.”" Gothamist was basically just a forum for reposted stories from other places; it was not exactly a hard-hitting journalistic source.

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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by nicole » 03 Nov 2017, 18:11

DNAInfo was, though. I said it in another thread already, but it was hands down my most important source of local news.
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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by Jennifer » 03 Nov 2017, 18:24

The fact that the guy not only closed the sites, but took down the archives with no warning was an ultra-shitty thing to do. Now the journos from those sites haven't their clips to show prospective employers.

And the Consumerist shut down without warning a couple days ago, as did one other publication whose name I can't recall right now. Damn, it's like 2008 all over again, where journalism jobs are concerned.
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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by Jennifer » 03 Nov 2017, 19:36

Damn. Now this, too:

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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by dead_elvis » 03 Nov 2017, 20:20

nicole wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 15:12
Actual wow

It’s preposterous, and everyone knows it, when a leftist says “black people can’t be racist.” But not until the Spacey affair did we have such a persuasive case against identity politics outside of race. Put him in the chair, as far as I’m concerned. But let’s not forget what a blow this is to the identitarians of the Left.
Nice strawman- has any lefty *ever* claimed that gay men can't rape? If there is I haven' t seen it, and I spent years on a prog forum.

That is sheer idiocy, does he really think this is some kinda "gotcha!" moment? He completely mis-represents the Spacey situation; *everyone*, even strident lefties, saw through what he was doing there. If anything it reinforces identity politics- that victims of sexual violence are at the top, followed by whoever else. In this case "stacking" or whatever you want to call it worked exactly to the same result among lefties as society in general- that Spacey's a creep and a criminal.
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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by Fin Fang Foom » 03 Nov 2017, 20:34

Yiannoppolis is trying to convince us that he's horrified by what Spacey did?
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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by Warren » 04 Nov 2017, 01:39

Fin Fang Foom wrote:
03 Nov 2017, 20:34
Yiannoppolis is trying to convince us that he's horrified by what Spacey did?
I thought we no longer cared about Milo.
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Re: When journalism goes bad

Post by nicole » 04 Nov 2017, 09:12

We didn’t until Bob Mercer decided to publicly stab him in the face.
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