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Post by Jasper » 11 Apr 2019, 08:53

Yep, plastic bags in the ocean killing wildlife is totes cool as long as you're not directly responsible.

Maybe I should rethink my stance against drone strikes since I'm not the one piloting them and pulling the trigger.
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Post by thoreau » 11 Apr 2019, 10:29

Jasper wrote:Yep, plastic bags in the ocean killing wildlife is totes cool as long as you're not directly responsible.

Maybe I should rethink my stance against drone strikes since I'm not the one piloting them and pulling the trigger.
Unless it can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt that your plastic bag wound up inside a whale I don't see why you should care. Just accept that democracy and/or the free market will decide the optimal number of plastic bags that wind up in wildlife, and neither is to be second guessed.

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Post by Mo » 11 Apr 2019, 17:44

I’ve said it before when he was on Slate, Isaac Chotiner is an amazing interviewer. He gives his subjects enough rope to hang themselves and doesn’t ask showy questions.
BEE: Did she say that? That she didn’t know she was black?

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Post by lunchstealer » 11 Apr 2019, 18:08

I think there is some value in determining if there's any chance that one's plastic bag will end up in any whale or other wildlife to determine whether your plastic baggery should be forcibly curtailed. A federal system can have states determine whether there's externality from plastic bags that requires interference. MO and CO are probably pretty safe so long as trash isn't hauled to coastal areas. California or Florida might need to take a much harder look at the environmental consequences of large scale plastic-film sack use.
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Post by Painboy » 11 Apr 2019, 19:16

So that dude in American Beauty was apparently just filming an environmental catastrophe?

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Post by lunchstealer » 11 Apr 2019, 20:13

I haven't seen the film, but I think that's the general consensus with hindsight, at least by Oscar winner standards.

alhough obvs I think you could say 'problem' without meaning 'catastrophe'
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Post by Jasper » 12 Apr 2019, 11:00

I was only responding to the claim that throwing your plastic bags in the trash causes no harm. Demonstrably false with a 10 second search.
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Post by lunchstealer » 12 Apr 2019, 11:44

But we're all agreed that American Beauty turned out to be an environmental disaster, right?
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Post by Ellie » 12 Apr 2019, 12:07

lunchstealer wrote:
12 Apr 2019, 11:44
But we're all agreed that American Beauty turned out to be an environmental disaster, right?
I loved that movie SO MUCH when I was a teenager. I don't want to go back and watch it with an adult critical eye and spoil my idiot youth love of it :D
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Post by nicole » 12 Apr 2019, 12:21

Jasper wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 08:53
Yep, plastic bags in the ocean killing wildlife is totes cool as long as you're not directly responsible.

Maybe I should rethink my stance against drone strikes since I'm not the one piloting them and pulling the trigger.
Did someone say it was totes cool, or just that none of us have any say about how Asian countries dispose of plastic waste?
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Post by JasonL » 12 Apr 2019, 12:21

Mo wrote:I’ve said it before when he was on Slate, Isaac Chotiner is an amazing interviewer. He gives his subjects enough rope to hang themselves and doesn’t ask showy questions.
BEE: Did she say that? That she didn’t know she was black?

IC: You say it in the book.

BEE: Yeah, right, I quoted her.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/ ... nald-trump
There’s plenty of stuff that could have been said there. BEE didn’t say it.

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Post by nicole » 12 Apr 2019, 12:28

Mo wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 17:44
I’ve said it before when he was on Slate, Isaac Chotiner is an amazing interviewer. He gives his subjects enough rope to hang themselves and doesn’t ask showy questions.
BEE: Did she say that? That she didn’t know she was black?

IC: You say it in the book.

BEE: Yeah, right, I quoted her.
https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/ ... nald-trump
What on earth does this mean
You are a novelist. You write about the human condition. Do you worry about the self-harm of people who see things like child separation and have no emotional response?
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Post by Pham Nuwen » 12 Apr 2019, 12:31

BEE was kind of hedging from the middle on in that interview.
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Post by Ellie » 12 Apr 2019, 12:51

This was my favorite part.
BEE: I think I am an absurdist. I think politics are ridiculous.

IC: Maybe don’t write a book about it. Would that be the solution?
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Post by Mo » 12 Apr 2019, 13:40

This is mine

IC: you said that progressive movements become “as authoritarian as what they’re protesting,” and that “it’s happened to a degree with the #MeToo movement. The idea of sexual assault and violence against women is reprehensible. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t accept that.” Can—

BEE: Agreed. Agreed.

IC: Well, you said it—of course you agree.
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Post by JasonL » 12 Apr 2019, 13:44

Ellie wrote:This was my favorite part.
BEE: I think I am an absurdist. I think politics are ridiculous.

IC: Maybe don’t write a book about it. Would that be the solution?
Uh, no? Why does my take on politics have to take your sacred cattle seriously?

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Post by Andrew » 12 Apr 2019, 13:47

JasonL wrote:
12 Apr 2019, 13:44
Ellie wrote:This was my favorite part.
BEE: I think I am an absurdist. I think politics are ridiculous.

IC: Maybe don’t write a book about it. Would that be the solution?
Uh, no? Why does my take on politics have to take your sacred cattle seriously?
How dare BEE not be outraged about the things the interviewer is outraged about!
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Post by Ellie » 12 Apr 2019, 13:54

Mo wrote:
11 Apr 2019, 17:44
I’ve said it before when he was on Slate, Isaac Chotiner is an amazing interviewer.
Thank you for introducing me to him! I'm going to seek out more of his stuff.
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Post by Jasper » 12 Apr 2019, 14:32

BEE really comes off as an aloof douche in that interview.

Then again, The New Yorker.
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Post by Ellie » 12 Apr 2019, 15:53

JasonL wrote:
12 Apr 2019, 13:44
Ellie wrote:This was my favorite part.
BEE: I think I am an absurdist. I think politics are ridiculous.

IC: Maybe don’t write a book about it. Would that be the solution?
Uh, no? Why does my take on politics have to take your sacred cattle seriously?
YMMV of course but that's not how I read it. BEE seemed to spend the entire interview being like, "Politics are dumb! Why does everyone keep asking me about politics?" and IC is like, "Because you just wrote an entire book about politics, you enormous walnut"
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Post by Mo » 12 Apr 2019, 16:05

He’s really good at owning people with their own words.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... irc_recent
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Post by Mo » 12 Apr 2019, 16:06

Ellie wrote:
JasonL wrote:
12 Apr 2019, 13:44
Ellie wrote:This was my favorite part.
BEE: I think I am an absurdist. I think politics are ridiculous.

IC: Maybe don’t write a book about it. Would that be the solution?
Uh, no? Why does my take on politics have to take your sacred cattle seriously?
YMMV of course but that's not how I read it. BEE seemed to spend the entire interview being like, "Politics are dumb! Why does everyone keep asking me about politics?" and IC is like, "Because you just wrote an entire book about politics, you enormous walnut"
That’s how I read it too
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Post by nicole » 12 Apr 2019, 17:31

Long but actually quite good, on race (he shouts out Kmele too) https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the ... -williams/
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Post by Warren » 13 Apr 2019, 12:36

Jasper wrote:
12 Apr 2019, 11:00
I was only responding to the claim that throwing your plastic bags in the trash causes no harm. Demonstrably false with a 10 second search.
Yeah no. If you throw your plastic bag in the trash in the good ole USofA it winds up in a landfill where it does no harm. Some tiny fraction of plastic bags used in coastal regions might escape the trash and some even tinier fraction of bags thrown in the trash might escape the landfill. None of the bags I have ever or will ever bring my groceries home in wind up in the ocean. Zero. Whales are not choking on US waste.
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Post by Painboy » 13 Apr 2019, 14:28

nicole wrote:
12 Apr 2019, 17:31
Long but actually quite good, on race (he shouts out Kmele too) https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the ... -williams/
That was a really good article. I'd love to see more discussion like that.

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