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Post by Kolohe » 12 Sep 2018, 08:12

There's a few cases where Crawford is looking at things that, to me, is at an odd angle, and I don't think some of his premises are right.
The role that the upper-tier university soon discovered for itself, upon the collapse of ideals of liberal learning, was no longer that of training citizens for humane self-government, but rather that of supplying a cadre to staff the corporations, the NGOs, and the foundations. That is, the main function of elite schools is to supply the personnel required to run things in an economy that has become more managerial than entrepreneurial.
Staffing the managerial ranks of the neoliberal order is not done by Ivy grads, it's done by flagship state university grads. There are, for one, too few 'elite' college grads to do all the work, and two, if anyone in academia still does 'learning for self actualization' it's the super elite schools, which are far less 'training for a specific job' focus (at the undergrad level).
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Post by Jadagul » 12 Sep 2018, 14:49

I thinks you're supposed to read "managerial" ranks there as including, like, CFOs and Undersecretaries for Defense and foundation Vice Presidents.

And state flagships are probably included in "upper tier universities" here, if not exclusively composing the category. "Upper-tier" here is distinguishing from, like, the community college with majors in "radiation tech" and "security contractor."

But yes, the claim is basically that the upper tier schools may not be training for a _specific_ job, but they are training for a specific type of job role.

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Post by thoreau » 12 Sep 2018, 14:57

I never thought I would type this, but....

What Jadagul said.
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Opinion: I Am Part of the Resistance Inside Morrissey’s Touring Band


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Post by JasonL » 17 Sep 2018, 06:57

Awesome

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Post by Warren » 17 Sep 2018, 08:09

Is it funnier if you know who Morrissey is/was?
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Post by JasonL » 17 Sep 2018, 10:30

Yes obvs

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Post by nicole » 17 Sep 2018, 11:55

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Post by Ellie » 17 Sep 2018, 12:05

Confession: everything I know about Morrissey I learned from MST3K

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Post by JD » 19 Sep 2018, 12:24

This is a kind-of-interesting piece about refusing to debate far-right figures: https://longreads.com/2018/09/18/no-i-w ... ebate-you/

It makes some decent arguments about what should be done about people who are acting in bad faith in a liberal society; it also could have been boiled down into about one paragraph without losing too much. To me one of the most interesting parts was this:
Curation is a political choice, and so is the choice of who we allow to take lead roles in the theatre of public discourse. I say: If Bannon has to have a public platform, make him work for it. Have him stand on a stage and play the audio footage of the toddlers at the Mexican border screaming for their parents as they’re dragged away to detention. Have him answer to the mothers of children who were gunned down by police because of the color of their skin, or to the friends and family of migrants who drowned in the Mediterranean. That’s not a polite thing to say. It wouldn’t be a polite thing to do. But the idea that politeness and civility is owed to anyone in a position of power is one of the great gotchas of liberal thought.
But the author seems to skim by, without noticing at all, that the curator is someone in a position of power, and "the choice of who we allow to take lead roles in the theater of public discourse" seems to suggest that society in some ways boils down to who holds the whip hand, which I am not sure is something the author would explicitly agree with but which is a theme that runs throughout her piece.
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Post by Andrew » 19 Sep 2018, 12:36

But the idea that politeness and civility is owed to anyone in a position of power is one of the great gotchas of liberal thought.
I'll read the piece later, but I wonder what the author's opinion was of the people who didn't show politeness and civility to Obama when he was president.
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Andrew wrote:
19 Sep 2018, 12:36
But the idea that politeness and civility is owed to anyone in a position of power is one of the great gotchas of liberal thought.
I'll read the piece later, but I wonder what the author's opinion was of the people who didn't show politeness and civility to Obama when he was president.
Yeah, I had kind of the same thought.
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Post by thoreau » 19 Sep 2018, 14:02

The science journal Nature publishes one sci-fi story a week. A lot of them are boring, notable only for their high-art pretensions. But this one is good:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-06698-2

OK, maybe I only like it because it appeals to my libertarian sympathies via a scenario of "In the future, sugary and fatty food will be illegal." But still, I liked it.
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Post by Andrew » 19 Sep 2018, 16:03

thoreau wrote:
19 Sep 2018, 14:02
The science journal Nature publishes one sci-fi story a week. A lot of them are boring, notable only for their high-art pretensions. But this one is good:

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-018-06698-2

OK, maybe I only like it because it appeals to my libertarian sympathies via a scenario of "In the future, sugary and fatty food will be illegal." But still, I liked it.
If you like that, check out "Lipidleggers" by F. Paul Wilson.
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Post by thoreau » 21 Sep 2018, 12:44


Thanks for that recommendation. I liked it a lot.
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Post by JasonL » 21 Sep 2018, 12:50

JD wrote:This is a kind-of-interesting piece about refusing to debate far-right figures: https://longreads.com/2018/09/18/no-i-w ... ebate-you/

It makes some decent arguments about what should be done about people who are acting in bad faith in a liberal society; it also could have been boiled down into about one paragraph without losing too much. To me one of the most interesting parts was this:
Curation is a political choice, and so is the choice of who we allow to take lead roles in the theatre of public discourse. I say: If Bannon has to have a public platform, make him work for it. Have him stand on a stage and play the audio footage of the toddlers at the Mexican border screaming for their parents as they’re dragged away to detention. Have him answer to the mothers of children who were gunned down by police because of the color of their skin, or to the friends and family of migrants who drowned in the Mediterranean. That’s not a polite thing to say. It wouldn’t be a polite thing to do. But the idea that politeness and civility is owed to anyone in a position of power is one of the great gotchas of liberal thought.
But the author seems to skim by, without noticing at all, that the curator is someone in a position of power, and "the choice of who we allow to take lead roles in the theater of public discourse" seems to suggest that society in some ways boils down to who holds the whip hand, which I am not sure is something the author would explicitly agree with but which is a theme that runs throughout her piece.
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Post by Mo » 03 Oct 2018, 10:48

I thought this was an interesting article. In my pre b-school job, I automated a 3 day task down to 5 min of work and 1 hour of run. My reward? Well I got to do some more interesting work, but it did not help me during my review, despite the fact that I ended up doing 3x more work than were in my goals, improved process accuracy and helped free up coworkers' time. So I can totally get why some people would be all, "Fuck that noise, I'll just chill."

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/ ... on/568795/
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Post by Warren » 03 Oct 2018, 11:34

Mo wrote:
03 Oct 2018, 10:48
I thought this was an interesting article. In my pre b-school job, I automated a 3 day task down to 5 min of work and 1 hour of run. My reward? Well I got to do some more interesting work, but it did not help me during my review, despite the fact that I ended up doing 3x more work than were in my goals, improved process accuracy and helped free up coworkers' time. So I can totally get why some people would be all, "Fuck that noise, I'll just chill."

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/ ... on/568795/
Excellent. I can't say that I'm a victim of this particular brand of mismanagement but I have seen it close up. This is why I can't sit still for Jason's "stake holders" and "if people keep doing it they must be getting something out of it". No matter how well understood and what new paradigms are supposedly put in place, middle management will revert back to Fuck You Work Harder in two minutes.
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Post by Mo » 03 Oct 2018, 11:51

It's the managerial version of effort justification. The employee one is that I put a lot of effort, so my output is valuable.
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Mo wrote:
03 Oct 2018, 11:51
It's the managerial version of effort justification. The employee one is that I put a lot of effort, so my output is valuable.
ayup
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Post by JasonL » 03 Oct 2018, 11:58

The flip side of this type of analysis is how it contributes to coders being viewed as contractors. You'd ideally like to have a roving band of process automators who can go around companies of size, and that's the role someone who self automated would migrate to. In the absence of sufficient org scale to support that kind of thing, you are in a bit of a situation where you do what ... acknowledge the automation and pay someone to do nothing forever thereafter? 1 year? 10?

Too, competition is a thing. If you have automated something really great and shifted cost structure, eventually your competition will do the same and the customers will start squeezing it out of your price points. That is a summary of my professional life tbh. I've been involved pretty directly in process automation, improvement, streamlining etc that has enabled our cost per client served to support many multiples of the clients we could serve when I started. At each interval, relentless downward pressure on prices resurfaces and we have to concede on revenue and you have to keep trying to figure out new stuff.

I think award systems are good for this but the truth is you can't make the award as good as a persistent job with benefits over a long period. It's a problem and I think why non employee coding is so frequently used.

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Post by Kolohe » 03 Oct 2018, 12:11

Mo wrote:
03 Oct 2018, 10:48
I thought this was an interesting article. In my pre b-school job, I automated a 3 day task down to 5 min of work and 1 hour of run. My reward? Well I got to do some more interesting work, but it did not help me during my review, despite the fact that I ended up doing 3x more work than were in my goals, improved process accuracy and helped free up coworkers' time. So I can totally get why some people would be all, "Fuck that noise, I'll just chill."

https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/ ... on/568795/
CDR (ret) Montgomery Scott always had a good strategy for this sort of thing.
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Post by Warren » 03 Oct 2018, 12:13

Kolohe wrote:
03 Oct 2018, 12:11
CDR (ret) Montgomery Scott always had a good strategy for this sort of thing.
heh
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Post by lunchstealer » 03 Oct 2018, 15:48

If you're salaried-exempt, you're being paid for goals accomplished, not hours worked.
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Post by Mo » 03 Oct 2018, 17:39

lunchstealer wrote:If you're salaried-exempt, you're being paid for goals accomplished, not hours worked.
This
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