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there's something about hillary...or something?
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Kolohe wrote:If I could count on one fucking person to be pissed off about the Yaklaa Yemen operation, it would be Justin Raimando.

But no, he's still on the god damned Trump Train too.

(This is a guy who thought the USS Greeneville conducting local ops off Pearl Harbor in 2001 was just the worst.)
It is funny watching everyone who was all, "BENGHAZIIIIIIIII!!!! OBAMA gave the stand down," now saying, "NBD, the president doesn't have operational responsibility, it's on the military."
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it's funny ha ha as part of the larger memetic terrorfucking or god knows what to call this craven, spite-based mode of understanding of the world.

-the "speech is violence" crowd are jerking off over punching a single (kinda, not really) nazi because...they have no souls?
-gavin mcinnes, whose only talent was writing very funny captions about terrible haircuts, is being turned into a goddamn martyr by days of rage larpers
-justin raimondo who didn't even like the card game war (too imperialistic and statist) is ecstatic because he either believes that trump will somehow not be manipulated into hella shooting or because fuck hillary that's why (and it's probably the latter)

man hillary was an unlikeable robot who couldn't even do ambition right, but it's not like she was a scary dangerous asshole like spitzer.
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Yemen targeted the Riyadh airport.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/04/middleeas ... index.html

Fortunately, the US State Department is amply-staffed and the President is level-headed, so I'm sure this will be resolved diplomatically.
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Well on the bright side, KSA and (some of) Yemen were already at war, so it probably can't get any worse.

Though there was also some sort of pre emptive counter coup in the past 24 hours also, so we got that going for us.
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NYT reporting 11 Saudi princes were arrested to consolidate power for the king's son.
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The situation in Yemen seems to have become the latest foreign policy stick for Team Blue to berate Trump. A few of my leftier Facebook friends have been making noises about it. I really have to restrain myself to not point out that US troops were put there by Saint Barry.
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You've gotta admit, though, if you want your time in office to look like the Golden Age of America, you've just gotta do two things:

1) Follow George W. Bush.
2) Precede Donald Trump.

All else will be obscured by the divine light radiating from the Halo of Not Being Either of Those Guys.
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Jake wrote:
29 Nov 2018, 21:34
You've gotta admit, though, if you want your time in office to look like the Golden Age of America, you've just gotta do two things:

1) Follow George W. Bush.
2) Precede Donald Trump.

All else will be obscured by the divine light radiating from the Halo of Not Being Either of Those Guys.
Only Donald Trump could make Hilary Clinton look like an improvement.
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Aresen wrote:
29 Nov 2018, 21:58
Jake wrote:
29 Nov 2018, 21:34
You've gotta admit, though, if you want your time in office to look like the Golden Age of America, you've just gotta do two things:

1) Follow George W. Bush.
2) Precede Donald Trump.

All else will be obscured by the divine light radiating from the Halo of Not Being Either of Those Guys.
Only Donald Trump could make Hilary Clinton look like an improvement.
Bernie Sanders?

Michael Avenatti?

Vladimir Putin?

Not that Sanders wouldn't probably be better than Trump, but still much less good than Clinton.

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Jadagul wrote:
30 Nov 2018, 05:02
Aresen wrote:
29 Nov 2018, 21:58
Jake wrote:
29 Nov 2018, 21:34
You've gotta admit, though, if you want your time in office to look like the Golden Age of America, you've just gotta do two things:

1) Follow George W. Bush.
2) Precede Donald Trump.

All else will be obscured by the divine light radiating from the Halo of Not Being Either of Those Guys.
Only Donald Trump could make Hilary Clinton look like an improvement.
Bernie Sanders?

Michael Avenatti?

Vladimir Putin?

Not that Sanders wouldn't probably be better than Trump, but still much less good than Clinton.
I think he meant physically/sexually attractive, so Sanders comes out ahead there.
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The House voted to force the President to withdraw American troops from their support role in the Saudi war in Yemen. The Senate passed a similar resolution last year, but that was before the midterms, so we'll see if they can follow through now that it's no longer just symbolic.
Passage would mark the first time Congress has relied on the decades-old War Powers Resolution to halt military intervention. It also would set up a potential confrontation with the White House, which has threatened a veto. The House voted 248-177 to approve the measure, sending it to the Senate, where a similar resolution passed last year.

“We have helped create, and worsen, the world’s largest humanitarian crisis,” said Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., during the debate. “Our involvement in this war, quite frankly, is shameful.”
"But enough about Syria, the situation is pretty bad in Yemen, too."
Rep. Ro Khanna, D-Calif., who drafted the legislation, said there’s an emerging bipartisan alliance that’s skeptical of military intervention without congressional oversight.

“It’s not just about Yemen. It’s about the Congress taking a stand and every future president having to think twice about whether to authorize a military intervention without congressional approval,” Khanna said in an interview.
Well, there's a first time for everything I guess.
Before Wednesday’s vote, the House overwhelmingly agreed to add an amendment offered by Republicans who are seeking to expose emerging Democratic divisions over support for Israel.

The amendment reaffirms the U.S. commitment “to combat anti-Semitism around the world” and says it’s in the national security interest to oppose boycotts of Israel. That’s a reference to the Boycott, Divest and Sanction movement that has gained support of some lawmakers.
:roll:
It also comes with this easy back-door:
This resolution calls for removal of all U.S. troops from “hostilities in or affecting Yemen” within 30 days, but includes caveats to exclude any military operations directed at al-Qaida terrorists in the region.
If this passes I imagine intelligence agencies will set a land speed record for finding al Qaeda operatives among the Houthis.
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Hugh Akston wrote:
13 Feb 2019, 21:00
The House voted to force the President to withdraw American troops from their support role in the Saudi war in Yemen. The Senate passed a similar resolution last year, but that was before the midterms, so we'll see if they can follow through now that it's no longer just symbolic.
Passage would mark the first time Congress has relied on the decades-old War Powers Resolution to halt military intervention. It also would set up a potential confrontation with the White House, which has threatened a veto. The House voted 248-177 to approve the measure, sending it to the Senate, where a similar resolution passed last year.

“We have helped create, and worsen, the world’s largest humanitarian crisis,” said Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Calif., during the debate. “Our involvement in this war, quite frankly, is shameful.”
"But enough about Syria, the situation is pretty bad in Yemen, too."
Rep. Ro Khanna, D-Calif., who drafted the legislation, said there’s an emerging bipartisan alliance that’s skeptical of military intervention without congressional oversight.

“It’s not just about Yemen. It’s about the Congress taking a stand and every future president having to think twice about whether to authorize a military intervention without congressional approval,” Khanna said in an interview.
Well, there's a first time for everything I guess.
Before Wednesday’s vote, the House overwhelmingly agreed to add an amendment offered by Republicans who are seeking to expose emerging Democratic divisions over support for Israel.

The amendment reaffirms the U.S. commitment “to combat anti-Semitism around the world” and says it’s in the national security interest to oppose boycotts of Israel. That’s a reference to the Boycott, Divest and Sanction movement that has gained support of some lawmakers.
:roll:
It also comes with this easy back-door:
This resolution calls for removal of all U.S. troops from “hostilities in or affecting Yemen” within 30 days, but includes caveats to exclude any military operations directed at al-Qaida terrorists in the region.
If this passes I imagine intelligence agencies will set a land speed record for finding al Qaeda operatives among the Houthis.
Won't even need that. When President Warren or Harris decides to start bombing Whateverstan, Rep. Khanna will be front and center opposing any effort to 'restrict the President's freedom of action.'
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If Trump supporters wanted a tough guy, why did they elect such a whiny bitch? - Mo

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I've looked at that story on a number of reputable (but non-paywalled) sources and not one of them actually names much less links to the bill in question.
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when you wake up as the queen of the n=1 kingdom and mount your steed non sequiturius, do you look out upon all you survey and think “damn, it feels good to be a green idea sleeping furiously?" - dhex

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Thank you, but the point is that neglecting to include the name or number of the bills in question (especially when space is not really at a premium) is failing to do basic journalism.
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Hugh Akston wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 11:00
Thank you, but the point is that neglecting to include the name or number of the bills in question (especially when space is not really at a premium) is failing to do basic journalism.
It is also infuriatingly common.
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Can the president even veto a resolution under the WPA? The Constitution does not have any presidential involvement related to Congress’ powers of declaring war.
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Mo wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 15:58
Can the president even veto a resolution under the WPA? The Constitution does not have any presidential involvement related to Congress’ powers of declaring war.
Gawd who knows? Those dipshits handed emergency declaration powers over to the president, and put a provision in to allow a vote by congress to override the president's unilateral use of Congress's emergency declaration powers which were dipshittingly ceded to him by statute, but those dipshitous dipshits worded it in such a way that the president can veto Congress's resolution to override the president's use of Congress's emergency declaration powers that those dipshits dipshittingly ceded in the first place.

Shorter lunchstealer: Congress is super dumb when it comes to their constitutional roles.
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lunchstealer wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 16:06
Mo wrote:
17 Apr 2019, 15:58
Can the president even veto a resolution under the WPA? The Constitution does not have any presidential involvement related to Congress’ powers of declaring war.
Gawd who knows? Those dipshits handed emergency declaration powers over to the president, and put a provision in to allow a vote by congress to override the president's unilateral use of Congress's emergency declaration powers which were dipshittingly ceded to him by statute, but those dipshitous dipshits worded it in such a way that the president can veto Congress's resolution to override the president's use of Congress's emergency declaration powers that those dipshits dipshittingly ceded in the first place.

Shorter lunchstealer: Congress is super dumb when it comes to their constitutional roles.
They originally wrote it so that it was a concurrent resolution instead of a joint resolution or something, which couldn´t be vetoed. The Supreme Court ruled that that would violate separation of powers (I don´t remember why), so Congress changed it to a vetoable joint resolution. (Instead of adding in a sunset or something, so you´re not entirely wrong).

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But unlike some of the other items that Congress has tried to make unvetoable, they are more akin to legislation. Warmaking is an explicitly Congressional act with no presidential involvement.
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Sorry, guys. The Rubicon has been crossed. The Senate can say what it wants to say, but they know deep down that they can't stop any Emperor...I mean, President, from sending troops to do whatever whenever wherever. OK, they could cut off funds....sorry, couldn't stop laughing. They'll never make cuts large enough or with sufficient specificity to stop the President from sending troops to do whatever whenever wherever.

Yes, yes, in principle, if they did pass a bill with a veto-proof majority saying "No money may be spent to bomb or support the bombing of Whatsitstan" then it would be illegal for the DoD to use any of its resources to bomb or support the bombing of Whatsitstan, and I will not impugn the honor of anyone in DoD by suggesting that they would violate that explicit law. But there is zero (0) chance that such a bill will ever pass with veto-proof majorities, so the question of "Would a DoD official refuse to spend money to bomb a country that Congress said not to bomb?" is entirely hypothetical.

And they'd just find a way around it anyway. "Well, we aren't bombing this country. We are using things that, in the latest updated jargon, do not technically qualify as 'bombs' but rather some other type of explosive weapon, and we are not bombing a country--which is defined as the territory controlled by a legally-constituted government--but rather territory controlled by forces answering to a government that we declare illegitimate. And anyway, it is just a 'kinetic military action' which is a whole other thing anyway."
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I'm not yet cynical enough to believe that the President/DoD would end-run around a clear and veto-proof Congressional prohibition on conducting operations in a specific country/conflict/theater.

I am cynical enough to believe that Congress doesn't really care about the conflict in Yemen or the Saudis' grotesque human rights record or reasserting their authority against a bully president, which is why this bill was constructed as an obviously-impotent directive to the Commander-in-Chief rather than a definitive funding cut for this specific quagmire.

Much as I hate the idea of continuing America's involvement in this conflict or Trump #winning anything, the proper response to this resolution is jerkoff.gif.
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This is a pretty good summary of the situation in Yemen
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