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Re: Surprise! It's Government's Good Side

Post by Aresen » 08 Apr 2016, 20:55

Mo wrote:I dunno, basic depository banking would be pretty easy and boring. All the employees would do is act as tellers. You can leave the money management to actual bankers.
Unless you are talking about internet banking - and low fee versions of this already exist - there are a myriad problems with depository banking.

Don't know if you've ever worked out front in a bricks and mortar bank, but we used to spend hours after closing finding errors for out-of-balance tellers.

Then there is the issue of cash security. When I was a branch manager, we had an internal loss of $2,000 that went missing because a teller did not maintain proper control of her cash (another teller was the prime suspect, but we never proved anything.)

There are issues of kiting, forged endorsements, cheque fraud, counterfeit bills, etc.

Just paying the tellers is a huge cost. Why do you think banks love ATMs? It isn't just the fees. For cash operations you have to have at least three unrelated people on duty at all times. It's easy for two to collude, a third person makes it more difficult. Behind that, you have to have your administration staff plus audit and inspection staff who are totally separate from your branch operation.

Top that off with the cost of the bricks and mortar and you have a giant cash sink.
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Re: Surprise! It's Government's Good Side

Post by Kolohe » 08 Apr 2016, 21:50

Problem solved - post offices open up a bank and a casino at each location.
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 08 Apr 2016, 22:38

From what I can tell, poor people use money orders bought at the supermarket. Don't tell Trump, but that's how all those remittances leave the U.S.

There are a few things I prefer snail mail for and even if First Class postage cost a couple of dollars, I'd still prefer it. (BTW, it's not entirely clear as a matter of law what counts as First Class mail.) I also approve of the extraordinarily cheap rates for shipping books even if it's a mildly Decoder Ring sort of subsidy.

The very best thing about the USPS, though, is that it requires a warrant to open your packages.

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Post by nicole » 13 May 2016, 14:06

Sex life in a rut? Feeling kinda rapey? Germany has you covered!
Sexual intercourse is fully illustrated here, along with a suggestion to “vary movements in speed, rhythm and intensity” and a special tip that it can be enjoyed while “lying, sitting, standing or squatting.”

“For example, the man can be on top of the woman, the woman on top of the man or the man behind the woman,” the site states.

It then probes deeper into the world of sexual gratification, including graphic descriptions of the various ways to perform oral sex, anal sex and masturbation.
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Post by thoreau » 13 May 2016, 14:23

Heinz-Jürgen Voss, a sex scientist at the University of Merseburg, argued it was “racist” to assume that Syrians and Iraqis, for instance, were less schooled than Germans in the wonders of sex.
I don't always agree with academics throwing around the word "racist", but when I do, I prefer to agree with people carrying awesomely authoritative names like Heinz-Jurgen. He's a sex Scientist, not just a layman. (Thank you, I'm here all week!)

I guess the Germans are trying to over-compensate for their previous stance on reproduction by Semitic minority groups.
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Post by Taktix® » 13 May 2016, 14:33

D.A. Ridgely wrote:From what I can tell, poor people use money orders bought at the supermarket. Don't tell Trump, but that's how all those remittances leave the U.S.

There are a few things I prefer snail mail for and even if First Class postage cost a couple of dollars, I'd still prefer it. (BTW, it's not entirely clear as a matter of law what counts as First Class mail.) I also approve of the extraordinarily cheap rates for shipping books even if it's a mildly Decoder Ring sort of subsidy.

The very best thing about the USPS, though, is that it requires a warrant to open your packages.
LOL authorities obeying warrant requirements. Good one, you should work it into the act...
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Post by Hugh Akston » 13 May 2016, 14:33

They're just trying to help the refugees assimilate. Every year Germans eagerly await the promulgation of the revised German Sex Manual (Deutschevögelnbuch) so they know which officially approved positions and techniques they are permitted to practice.
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Post by Kolohe » 13 May 2016, 15:56

Of course Heinz wants more varieties than just one or two.
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Post by the innominate one » 13 May 2016, 16:27

Mom, you'd tell me if you'd ever starred in a German Scheisse movie, wouldn't you?
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 13 May 2016, 19:32

Taktix® wrote:
D.A. Ridgely wrote:From what I can tell, poor people use money orders bought at the supermarket. Don't tell Trump, but that's how all those remittances leave the U.S.

There are a few things I prefer snail mail for and even if First Class postage cost a couple of dollars, I'd still prefer it. (BTW, it's not entirely clear as a matter of law what counts as First Class mail.) I also approve of the extraordinarily cheap rates for shipping books even if it's a mildly Decoder Ring sort of subsidy.

The very best thing about the USPS, though, is that it requires a warrant to open your packages.
LOL authorities obeying warrant requirements. Good one, you should work it into the act...
No probable cause, no warrant. Drug sniffing dogs? Maybe that's probably cause but you still need a warrant. No warrant, evidence is inadmissible. Worst case is loss of property.

I don't care if the cops misbehave as long as the courts don't.

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Post by JD » 07 Jun 2016, 15:02

Never thought I'd see this in my life!

Lawmakers voted overwhelmingly Tuesday to loosen Pennsylvania’s tightly controlled liquor system by letting groceries and other outlets sell takeout wine and by formalizing beer sales in convenience stores that have begun as a result of court cases.

The House voted 157-31 to send the proposal to the desk of Democratic Gov. Tom Wolf after a debate in which members said the changes carried considerable public support.

“What we’re trying to do today is exactly what my constituents would like to see take place,” said Rep. Lee James, R-Venango.


And of course, there has to be something eye-rollingly stupid in the discussion:
The bill, backed Tuesday by 46 Democrats, drew strong objections from the head of the union that represents state liquor store clerks.

“We’re opposed to it and think it’s crazy that we would do this,” said Wendell Young IV, president of United Food and Commercial Workers Local 1776. “Of course we’re used to crazies in the Republican Party, but we’re not used to Democrats joining the crazies. There must be some sort of virus in the building.”
Yeah, it would be "crazy" to allow something that most other states have been doing for years with absolutely no problems.
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Post by the innominate one » 07 Jun 2016, 15:28

A virus called freedom, motherfucker.
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Post by Andrew » 07 Jun 2016, 16:32

the innominate one wrote:A virus called freedom, motherfucker.
Nobody in government wants an outbreak of that shit. They work tirelessly to keep the public inoculated against it.
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Post by lunchstealer » 07 Jun 2016, 18:50

Andrew wrote:
the innominate one wrote:A virus called freedom, motherfucker.
Nobody in government wants an outbreak of that shit. They work tirelessly to keep the public inoculated against it.
Unions are also trying to bend everyone over and inoculate them in the ass.
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Post by Highway » 07 Jun 2016, 20:35

That goes to show how shitty the members of that union are. From what I hear, reason number 1 to get rid of the state stores is the assholes who work at the stores.
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Post by Taktix® » 08 Jun 2016, 12:52

Highway wrote:That goes to show how shitty the members of that union are. From what I hear, reason number 1 to get rid of the state stores is the assholes who work at the stores.
Worse than that, they're fiefs. Barring yesterday's changes, PA liquor licenses were transferable and finite, so they were basically shares of a monopoly. In addition to HWY's point about the dickishness (which is correct, because no choice in vendor means no need for customer service), they also kept anachronistic hours, required silly rules (e.g. 24-packs only) and they only had to keep prices low enough to discourage people from buying from nearby states, so not really low at all.

Oh, and I and many others were able to buy as underagers without being carded on many many occasions, and my dad was able to drink himself to death under the care and supervision of the PLCB, so I'm not quite sure what craziness he's trying to prevent (other than the craziness of a world without onions unions)...
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Post by Andrew » 25 Jun 2016, 11:21

Clint Bolick has already dissented from a decision involving criminal law: State v. Gray (pdf download).

Arizona has an absurd rule for entrapment that a defendant must admit to all elements of the crime before being able to raise the defense. At this point, Arizona is the only jurisdiction that still has this rule. The last time this issue reached the Arizona Supreme Court, the court held 3-2 to keep it. Now, they ruled 4-1 to keep it, but Bolick's dissent is worth a read. He talks about all the constitutional issues that the concept of entrapment raises, and goes into the "unconstitutional conditions" doctrine about how the government cannot condition certain things on the relinquishing of a constitutional right. Of course, it's only a dissent, so it means nothing to the defendant, but it's better than Sotomayor's dissent in the Utah case since it's not just venting and lays out a map for challenging this issue again.

Also, the Arizona legislature voted to expand the Arizona Supreme Court from 5 justices to 7. If the governor appoints more people like Bolick, things could get interesting.
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Post by thoreau » 25 Jun 2016, 11:51

So you couldn't raise a twofold defense that (1) you ultimately backed out of participating in the alleged crime (which I assume is a valid defense as long as the charge isn't "attempted ___" or "conspiracy to ___") but (2) the guy trying to orchestrate the activity was trying to entrap you?

That is fucking stupid.
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Post by the innominate one » 25 Jun 2016, 13:27

Or the defense of entrapment + fifth amendment right to not incriminate oneself? Admittedly, I didn't RTFA. Is the right to not self incriminate incorporated?
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Post by JD » 28 Jun 2016, 13:31

Obama shows more sense about Brexit than 95% of the other people in the metaphorical room.
"There's been a little bit of hysteria post-Brexit vote, as if somehow NATO's gone, the trans-Atlantic alliance is dissolving, and every country is rushing off to its own corner," Obama told National Public Radio in an interview broadcast Tuesday. "That's not what's happening."

"What's happening is that you had a European project that was probably moving faster and with as much consensus as it should have, [sic - should probably have been "without" as much consensus]" he said. "The basic core values of Europe, the tenets of liberal, market-based Democracies — those aren't changing. The interests that we have in common in Europe remain the same."

"I don't anticipate there's going to be major cataclysmic changes as a result of this."
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JD wrote:Obama shows more sense about Brexit than 95% of the other people in the metaphorical room.
"There's been a little bit of hysteria post-Brexit vote, as if somehow NATO's gone, the trans-Atlantic alliance is dissolving, and every country is rushing off to its own corner," Obama told National Public Radio in an interview broadcast Tuesday. "That's not what's happening."

"What's happening is that you had a European project that was probably moving faster and with as much consensus as it should have, [sic - should probably have been "without" as much consensus]" he said. "The basic core values of Europe, the tenets of liberal, market-based Democracies — those aren't changing. The interests that we have in common in Europe remain the same."

"I don't anticipate there's going to be major cataclysmic changes as a result of this."
Ooo, the metaphorical room. Where's is it? How does one go about reserving it?

And I agree with Obama, which is why that NPR correspondent literally crying over it is so funny...
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Post by Kolohe » 28 Jun 2016, 15:26

That wasn't Obama's tone before the Brexit vote.
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Post by Ellie » 28 Jun 2016, 16:09

Kolohe wrote:That wasn't Obama's tone before the Brexit vote.
Maybe he was one of the hordes googling "what is brexit" after the vote.
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Post by Kolohe » 28 Jun 2016, 16:13

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Post by Mo » 28 Jun 2016, 17:07

Taktix® wrote:
JD wrote:Obama shows more sense about Brexit than 95% of the other people in the metaphorical room.
"There's been a little bit of hysteria post-Brexit vote, as if somehow NATO's gone, the trans-Atlantic alliance is dissolving, and every country is rushing off to its own corner," Obama told National Public Radio in an interview broadcast Tuesday. "That's not what's happening."

"What's happening is that you had a European project that was probably moving faster and with as much consensus as it should have, [sic - should probably have been "without" as much consensus]" he said. "The basic core values of Europe, the tenets of liberal, market-based Democracies — those aren't changing. The interests that we have in common in Europe remain the same."

"I don't anticipate there's going to be major cataclysmic changes as a result of this."
Ooo, the metaphorical room. Where's is it? How does one go about reserving it?

And I agree with Obama, which is why that NPR correspondent literally crying over it is so funny...
IIRC, that NPR person was a Brit living in Spain, so she wasn't sure what was going to happen to her. While a bit overwrought, I did feel some sympathy for her.
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