The libertarian case for Biden

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Jennifer
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The libertarian case for Biden

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Good article (IMO) from a lifelong libertarian explaining why he'll vote for Biden this year.

https://arcdigital.media/a-pox-on-one-o ... 97b9d6891e

Money quote: "a vote for Biden is not a vote for the particular policies he may pursue, many of which will surely be unlibertarian and ill-advised. It’s a vote to preserve the institutions that make liberal democracy and normal politics possible."
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It's not far from my own take. You aren't voting for people or even policies per se, you are voting for coalitions that want certain things and are willing to do certain things to get them. If an anti immigrant, anti media animus coalition which is motivated by conspiracy and a sneering at norms as handcuffs becomes a loser coalition, we all win long run. Eventually the elephants will reform around some other thing that can win. Maybe just as bad, but probably not.
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There's Bad: Biden and Worse: Trump. 'Nuff said.
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To paraphrase what PJ O'Rourke said in 2016, explaining why he would hold his nose and vote for Hillary: as president she'd be wrong about almost everything, but at least she'd be wrong within normal parameters.

In the alt-universe where Hillary won in 2016, the last three years of alt-Gryll posts include many from me criticizing the latest bad thing she said or did ... but when covid struck, alt-President Clinton would not have done the many, many things Trump has done to make it worse. And she would not have spent the previous three years systematically trashing America's relationships with our allies, either.
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That was definitely more the libertarian case against Trump than it was the libertarian case for Biden, but he's not wrong.
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Jennifer wrote: 06 Oct 2020, 17:18 To paraphrase what PJ O'Rourke said in 2016, explaining why he would hold his nose and vote for Hillary: as president she'd be wrong about almost everything, but at least she'd be wrong within normal parameters.

In the alt-universe where Hillary won in 2016, the last three years of alt-Gryll posts include many from me criticizing the latest bad thing she said or did ... but when covid struck, alt-President Clinton would not have done the many, many things Trump has done to make it worse. And she would not have spent the previous three years systematically trashing America's relationships with our allies, either.
Speaking of Clinton, I'd like to see Biden appoint her Ambassador to Russia just to rub Putin's nose in it.
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He'd give her Novichok as soon as she arrived. We don't need that drama.
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thoreau wrote: 06 Oct 2020, 17:43 He'd give her Novichok as soon as she arrived. We don't need that drama.
Or do we? No, we don't.

I'm pretty sure we don't need that drama.

Definitely pretty sure.
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lunchstealer wrote: 06 Oct 2020, 18:12
thoreau wrote: 06 Oct 2020, 17:43 He'd give her Novichok as soon as she arrived. We don't need that drama.
Or do we? No, we don't.

I'm pretty sure we don't need that drama.

Definitely pretty sure.
Maybe. Definitely maybe.
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Well, mostly sure.

But I don't really want an international incident over an attack on an ambassador.

Now, if Trump were made ambassador to North Korea, I think I could live with that.

(Yes, I know, we don't have an embassy there. But does anyone think he knows that?)
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Yeah, I liked that article.
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Best move on Biden's part would be to name Clinton to head up a Blue Ribbon Commission on cybersecurity.
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D.A. Ridgely wrote: 06 Oct 2020, 18:57 Best move on Biden's part would be to name Clinton to head up a Blue Ribbon Commission on cybersecurity.
See you take it too far and it gets not funny.
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The "naughty little kid" part of me agrees that Russian Ambassador Clinton would be deeply hilarious, but the Boring Grownup Realpolitik part of me knows an ambassador must first and foremost be able to further her country's interests, and an Ambassador Clinton would have zero chance of that. Sigh.
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Find a guy who happens to be named Jason Bourne and explain that he's the Designated Guy For Meeting Directly with Putin, Alone and with No Witnesses.
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