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Warren wrote:
13 May 2020, 14:36
dead_elvis wrote:
13 May 2020, 13:59
Not sure what the actual limit by law is (the higher-proof Everclear isn't legal here) but as a practical matter Bacardi 151 is the strongest thing I can get. Which gets one past the 70% mark but is not very economical.

Fun quarantine project: is it possible with only common kitchen items to take a cheapest-ass gallon of vodka or similar and distill it further to get to 70% alcohol.
A tea kettle, copper tubing, rubber hose and some hose clamps and Bob's your uncle.
At that point, you might as well start with some potato or corn mash a week earlier and just make moonshine.
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Jasper wrote:
13 May 2020, 14:56
Warren wrote:
13 May 2020, 14:36
dead_elvis wrote:
13 May 2020, 13:59
Not sure what the actual limit by law is (the higher-proof Everclear isn't legal here) but as a practical matter Bacardi 151 is the strongest thing I can get. Which gets one past the 70% mark but is not very economical.

Fun quarantine project: is it possible with only common kitchen items to take a cheapest-ass gallon of vodka or similar and distill it further to get to 70% alcohol.
A tea kettle, copper tubing, rubber hose and some hose clamps and Bob's your uncle.
At that point, you might as well start with some potato or corn mash a week earlier and just make moonshine.
I value the increase in time, mess, and foot print, greater than cheep vodka.
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Warren wrote:
13 May 2020, 15:44
Jasper wrote:
13 May 2020, 14:56
Warren wrote:
13 May 2020, 14:36
dead_elvis wrote:
13 May 2020, 13:59
Not sure what the actual limit by law is (the higher-proof Everclear isn't legal here) but as a practical matter Bacardi 151 is the strongest thing I can get. Which gets one past the 70% mark but is not very economical.

Fun quarantine project: is it possible with only common kitchen items to take a cheapest-ass gallon of vodka or similar and distill it further to get to 70% alcohol.
A tea kettle, copper tubing, rubber hose and some hose clamps and Bob's your uncle.
At that point, you might as well start with some potato or corn mash a week earlier and just make moonshine.
I value the increase in time, mess, and foot print, greater than cheep vodka.
Yeah start three weeks earlier, make beer, then still distill cheap vodka for the purposes of utility alcohol and drink the beer qua beer.
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nicole wrote:
13 May 2020, 14:34
"Actually" higher proof is not necessarily better because if it's too high it will evaporate before it can kill the virus
Yep. You also need the extra water base to interact better with virus particles and bacterial cell walls thus making it easier to kill them.
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Jennifer wrote:
13 May 2020, 12:25
I wonder if you could make do with Everclear or other 190 or 189-proof alcoholic "beverages" (scare quotes intentional)?
Beyond that, you can also use Everclear for camp stove fuel. I plan to stock up on some very soon, since the hurricane season has started.
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nicole wrote:
13 May 2020, 14:34
"Actually" higher proof is not necessarily better because if it's too high it will evaporate before it can kill the virus
You'll want a higher concentration to start with to mix with aloe vera, since you need to stay above 66% with the end product.
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Eric the .5b wrote:
13 May 2020, 19:06
Jennifer wrote:
13 May 2020, 12:25
I wonder if you could make do with Everclear or other 190 or 189-proof alcoholic "beverages" (scare quotes intentional)?
Beyond that, you can also use Everclear for camp stove fuel. I plan to stock up on some very soon, since the hurricane season has started.
I mean, I just don't see paying the premium for potent potables to be used as utility consumables.
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Warren wrote:
13 May 2020, 19:33
Eric the .5b wrote:
13 May 2020, 19:06
Jennifer wrote:
13 May 2020, 12:25
I wonder if you could make do with Everclear or other 190 or 189-proof alcoholic "beverages" (scare quotes intentional)?
Beyond that, you can also use Everclear for camp stove fuel. I plan to stock up on some very soon, since the hurricane season has started.
I mean, I just don't see paying the premium for potent potables to be used as utility consumables.
Less toxic fumes than most alternatives. Handy if I have to use it inside or on my back patio.
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Damn. I have a brass alcohol-burning stove somewhere -- never used, bought it mostly as a decoration (it's very shiny and has Arabic writing on it), but I liked the idea that I could use it to burn alcohol as a fuel if necessary ... just checked the plastic storage boxes where I keep the emergency supplies and it is NOT there. Boo. All I have is a folding Sterno stove, and a handful of chafing-dish ethanol tins so old I don't trust them to not have evaporated away by now.

Under ordinary circumstances I'd go to an overstock outlet to find new gel cans for cheap, but I suppose under the circumstances I'll have to pay a premium on Amazon.

At least I have a screened-in, roof-covered outdoor space for safe and (mostly) bug-free emergency cooking. This is the first time I've ever been able to say that, the whole time Jeff and I have been together.
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Warren wrote:
13 May 2020, 14:36
dead_elvis wrote:
13 May 2020, 13:59
Not sure what the actual limit by law is (the higher-proof Everclear isn't legal here) but as a practical matter Bacardi 151 is the strongest thing I can get. Which gets one past the 70% mark but is not very economical.

Fun quarantine project: is it possible with only common kitchen items to take a cheapest-ass gallon of vodka or similar and distill it further to get to 70% alcohol.
A tea kettle, copper tubing, rubber hose and some hose clamps and Bob's your uncle.
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Mind you, diluting Everclear 1:1 with water apparently makes for a shitty vodka.
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Jeff had a doctor's appointment today -- a follow-up to one he had many months ago, before the pandemic, and one he'd have forgotten all about had he not received a robocall reminder from the doctor's office -- and the doc's office has changed a few things since our last visit. One (unsurprisingly), NO walk-in visits at all; appointment only. Two, NO sitting in the actual waiting room; instead you wait in your car in the parking lot, and on the closed door of the building is a phone number to call. The nurse comes out and takes your temperature while you're sitting out there. And of course the usual patient questionnaire you'd fill out while waiting has an entire new section about covid-19: have you or anyone in your household been to certain countries in the last few months, do you or anyone in your household show the following symptoms, etc. And if/when you DO make the cut to be allowed inside, there's still no access to the usual waiting room; you wait in your car until you are personally escorted into a given doctor's office.
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Jennifer wrote:
14 May 2020, 15:27
Jeff had a doctor's appointment today -- a follow-up to one he had many months ago, before the pandemic, and one he'd have forgotten all about had he not received a robocall reminder from the doctor's office -- and the doc's office has changed a few things since our last visit. One (unsurprisingly), NO walk-in visits at all; appointment only. Two, NO sitting in the actual waiting room; instead you wait in your car in the parking lot, and on the closed door of the building is a phone number to call. The nurse comes out and takes your temperature while you're sitting out there. And of course the usual patient questionnaire you'd fill out while waiting has an entire new section about covid-19: have you or anyone in your household been to certain countries in the last few months, do you or anyone in your household show the following symptoms, etc. And if/when you DO make the cut to be allowed inside, there's still no access to the usual waiting room; you wait in your car until you are personally escorted into a given doctor's office.
Interesting. I was wondering how they were going to handle that.

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Painboy wrote:
14 May 2020, 15:44
Jennifer wrote:
14 May 2020, 15:27
Jeff had a doctor's appointment today -- a follow-up to one he had many months ago, before the pandemic, and one he'd have forgotten all about had he not received a robocall reminder from the doctor's office -- and the doc's office has changed a few things since our last visit. One (unsurprisingly), NO walk-in visits at all; appointment only. Two, NO sitting in the actual waiting room; instead you wait in your car in the parking lot, and on the closed door of the building is a phone number to call. The nurse comes out and takes your temperature while you're sitting out there. And of course the usual patient questionnaire you'd fill out while waiting has an entire new section about covid-19: have you or anyone in your household been to certain countries in the last few months, do you or anyone in your household show the following symptoms, etc. And if/when you DO make the cut to be allowed inside, there's still no access to the usual waiting room; you wait in your car until you are personally escorted into a given doctor's office.
Interesting. I was wondering how they were going to handle that.
My wife had a dentist's appt. yesterday, and it was very similar. Call the desk when you drive in, wait in your car, and then they'll escort you straight in when they're ready.
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I do not have a working cell phone at the moment -- new one is on its way, but in the meantime I wonder if I'm going to run into a bunch of Coronatide situations that I can't navigate without one. I already did a grocery store pickup order that sent an email when it was ready with a button to push when you were in the parking lot. I brought my laptop, connected to a wifi hotspot, and pushed the button only to get the error popup "This only works on phones."
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Highway wrote:
14 May 2020, 15:49
Painboy wrote:
14 May 2020, 15:44
Jennifer wrote:
14 May 2020, 15:27
Jeff had a doctor's appointment today -- a follow-up to one he had many months ago, before the pandemic, and one he'd have forgotten all about had he not received a robocall reminder from the doctor's office -- and the doc's office has changed a few things since our last visit. One (unsurprisingly), NO walk-in visits at all; appointment only. Two, NO sitting in the actual waiting room; instead you wait in your car in the parking lot, and on the closed door of the building is a phone number to call. The nurse comes out and takes your temperature while you're sitting out there. And of course the usual patient questionnaire you'd fill out while waiting has an entire new section about covid-19: have you or anyone in your household been to certain countries in the last few months, do you or anyone in your household show the following symptoms, etc. And if/when you DO make the cut to be allowed inside, there's still no access to the usual waiting room; you wait in your car until you are personally escorted into a given doctor's office.
Interesting. I was wondering how they were going to handle that.
My wife had a dentist's appt. yesterday, and it was very similar. Call the desk when you drive in, wait in your car, and then they'll escort you straight in when they're ready.
It was the same with my oil change today.
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For all the ways I've been dismayed by partisanship/sports-barism -- going all the way back to the end of Bush/beginning of Obama years, when various breeds of Democrat and Republican both flipped positions on various civil-liberty matters alongside the POTUS' changing party membership -- and for all the ways I feared "Even by post-2001 standards, Trump's presidency is going to be very very bad for America --Zod forbid we have like a 9/11-level catastrophe on his watch" -- I was insufficiently pessimistic on both levels: don't recall ever considering " worst pandemic in a century" on the list of potential disasters, 2017-2021, and even if I had I don't recall ever considering "sports bar will get so bad that even amidst the worst pandemic in a century, the simple act of wearing a face mask or not becomes a socio-political SYMBOL."

I know a selection of anti-maskers on Facebook who not only refuse to wear a mask in public because Muh Freedom, but take an insulting view toward others who choose to wear one: paranoid, overly fearful, "sheeple," Jeffrey Tucker's infamous tweet about the dim view future historians will take of people who chose to wear masks in public ... to the extent that there's a wide number of self-described libertarians or liberty advocates who basically seem to take the view "Basic self-care, let alone basic concern for others, are both anti-liberty principles."

FWIW, even in the early days of this pandemic (from my personal perspective), before the partisan/sports bar rot had infected the mask debate, I covered my face even before the local business closings began, even when I still blithely thought "Even if Jeff and I get it, I'm sure we'll only get the mild or no-symptom versions, and we'll both be fine; we're just doing our part to protect others who might not be so lucky" ... and even if, somehow, it turns out Jeff and I both have zero to worry about (like, "we both get antibody-tested and prove beyond doubt that we both already had it, asymptomatic versions, and now we're completely recovered AND immune: no fear of getting it ourselves, and no fear of passing it to others"), in that case I would go out more, even do things like "recreational shopping" again (thrift stores, etc.) ... but I'd still wear a face mask in public for the duration of this pandemic because, while MY hypothetical self knows I'm no risk to myself or anyone else, I wouldn't expect my fellow shoppers and park visitors to know this.

Which, by definition, means I would indeed be wearing a mask as a form of "signaling" or "messaging" ... but despite the unavoidable (and sometimes negative) political/social connotations attached to this, it's intended more as thoughtfulness/concern for others, and I'm dismayed to see that very notion being decried as an anti-liberty value.
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Jennifer wrote:
16 May 2020, 15:39
Which, by definition, means I would indeed be wearing a mask as a form of "signaling" or "messaging" ... but despite the unavoidable (and sometimes negative) political/social connotations attached to this, it's intended more as thoughtfulness/concern for others, and I'm dismayed to see that very notion being decried as an anti-liberty value.
I used to think I was cynical about people. I thought people could at the very least be counted on to selfishly act in their own interest. That was before finding out that our country seems to be made up of 15 year olds who have been told in front of their friends to wear a bike helmet. If you'd told me even a year ago that not wearing masks in an epidemic was a hill conservatives would choose to charge up, I'd have thought you nuts.

Libertarians should be all about the masks as it is solidly within the NAP under these conditions.
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dead_elvis wrote:
16 May 2020, 18:28
Libertarians should be all about the masks as it is solidly within the NAP under these conditions.
It's also all about taking responsibility for your own health so you don't become a burden.
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Bah! You're all obviously in the pocket of Big Mask!

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thoreau wrote:
16 May 2020, 18:35
dead_elvis wrote:
16 May 2020, 18:28
Libertarians should be all about the masks as it is solidly within the NAP under these conditions.
It's also all about taking responsibility for your own health so you don't become a burden.
The CDC explicitly says that wearing a mask is about protecting other people in case you're unknowingly infected. They make no claims about masks protecting the wearer.

Masks should be mandatory for people working in clinical settings or jobs with high traffic or where social distancing is difficult to maintain, like grocery stores or food service. People caring for people suffering with Covid at home should definitely be wearing masks in public. People who are sick should stay home.

But it's not clear that hygiene+social distancing+masks confers any measurable benefit over hygiene+social distancing for people picking up a takeout order or going to the supermarket for 20 minutes, especially if they have already had it or are asymptomatic. Context matters, unless y'all have seen some evidence that I haven't.

Also, it takes two to partisan. Uncritically towing the lion that everyone should wear masks in all circumstances is no less partisan than the give me freedom and give me death crowd.
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D.A. Ridgely wrote:
16 May 2020, 19:27
Bah! You're all obviously in the pocket of Big Mask!
There isn't even a "Big Mask", everyone's making their own, or small scale companies are. It's more like Mask Etsy.
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Hugh Akston wrote:
16 May 2020, 19:35

But it's not clear that hygiene+social distancing+masks confers any measurable benefit over hygiene+social distancing for people picking up a takeout order or going to the supermarket for 20 minutes, especially if they have already had it or are asymptomatic. Context matters, unless y'all have seen some evidence that I haven't.
Emphasis added. In my prior hypothetical, where I'd still wear a mask in public even if I knew for certain I was immune to giving or receiving the virus, I specified that I'd already had and recovered from an asymptomatic version. (FWIW, since quarantine started 2+ months ago I personally have felt completely 100% fine.) But whenever my hypothetical self was infected and contagious (though completely oblivious to either fact) since mid-March, she/I would have been an increased danger to others if we'd gone out to stores or other indoor public places without a mask.
Also, it takes two to partisan.
Not always. It's like the difference between peace and war: all sides must agree to have peace, but it takes only one to wage war.
Uncritically towing the lion that everyone should wear masks in all circumstances is no less partisan than the give me freedom and give me death crowd.
Emphasis added again. Agree that "uncritical" acceptance of anything is bad, but the anti-maskers I'm complaining about are basically saying no one (other than people like on-the-job medical personnel) should wear a mask in any circumstance. Remember Jeffrey Tucker's tweet: "Adding to my post-lockdown predictions: the face mask will be rightly regarded as a symbol of obsequious obedience and grotesque compliance with arbitrary and ignorant authority."
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