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25 Nov 2019, 20:25
I tried saying that nothing matters and they said I am bad. And whenever I say that the executive branch can ignore rules they say I am bad and don't get it. But if I say that the executive branch should follow rules they also say that I am bad and don't get it.
Try not saying anything for a whole year. I bet you'll get more respect then.
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Well, assuming the court order is unsuccessfully appealed, the way it plays out is that failure to appear also constitutes contempt of court, which means the U.S. Marshals come and fetch him and put him in jail. But what if Trump orders the marshals to step down, you ask? Then it isn't Congress but the Article III Branch that now has skin in the game. Part of me would love to see that confrontation, but the overwhelming odds are that Trump backs down first.

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D.A. Ridgely wrote:
25 Nov 2019, 21:36
but the overwhelming odds are that Trump backs down first.
How overwhelming? Specifically, what odds will you give me?
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Pham Nuwen wrote:
25 Nov 2019, 20:37
I don't know about any of that, T-dawg. You sure you just aren't being an impossible to deal with asshole?
Why not both?
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Warren wrote:
25 Nov 2019, 21:44
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
25 Nov 2019, 21:36
but the overwhelming odds are that Trump backs down first.
How overwhelming? Specifically, what odds will you give me?
Tell me what odds and for how much and I'll let you know if it strikes me as a good bet.

Nothing that's happened so far -- and I can tell before I write this it's going to end up raising Thoreau's blood pressure -- has constituted a Constitutional crisis. We've got a bad, a dangerously bad president and some really rotten precedents for future presidents, but Congress remains at heart a political institution. There is, of course, a sense, maybe a very strong sense in which the Supreme Court is also a political institution, but it doesn't face the same pressures and neither it nor Congress wants the public to stop seeing it as the final arbiter of Constitutional disputes any more than, say, they want the public to stop believing that printed money or its electronic equivalent is valuable. It is nearly unfathomable for me to imagine Trump getting any support from any quarters, not even Mitch McConnell, for overtly disobeying the Supreme Court should it rule against him.

FWIW, if that were to happen and Trump were to prevail, that's the point where I'd start looking for somewhere outside the U.S. to live.

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D.A. Ridgely wrote:
25 Nov 2019, 21:36
Well, assuming the court order is unsuccessfully appealed, the way it plays out is that failure to appear also constitutes contempt of court, which means the U.S. Marshals come and fetch him and put him in jail. But what if Trump orders the marshals to step down, you ask? Then it isn't Congress but the Article III Branch that now has skin in the game. Part of me would love to see that confrontation, but the overwhelming odds are that Trump backs down first.
Since it's a Congressional matter, wouldn't it be the Sargent-At-Arms of the House and the Capitol Police, rather than the Marshals?
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I think if Trump finds himself faced with big, manly men who don't break into tears, he'll back down.
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Shem wrote:
26 Nov 2019, 02:12
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
25 Nov 2019, 21:36
Well, assuming the court order is unsuccessfully appealed, the way it plays out is that failure to appear also constitutes contempt of court, which means the U.S. Marshals come and fetch him and put him in jail. But what if Trump orders the marshals to step down, you ask? Then it isn't Congress but the Article III Branch that now has skin in the game. Part of me would love to see that confrontation, but the overwhelming odds are that Trump backs down first.
Since it's a Congressional matter, wouldn't it be the Sargent-At-Arms of the House and the Capitol Police, rather than the Marshals?
My premise is that the courts, not Congress, would actually attempt enforcement of the contempt charge, but D.C. has so many overlapping police jurisdictions I can't say for sure.

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Are we sure he's not just an idiot elected by idiots?
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Pham Nuwen wrote:
27 Nov 2019, 18:44
Are we sure he's not just an idiot elected by idiots?
Well they're all elected by idiots.
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I never elected you. You're part of the gryll deep state as far as I'm concerned.
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Cocaine Mitch has been signalling pretty clearly that the fix is in.

If I were a different kind of internet guy with a Twitter account, I would create a gif of Mitch's face superimposed over a stripper with Trump's face over the client slipping money into his thong.
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Hugh Akston wrote:
17 Dec 2019, 16:14
Cocaine Mitch has been signalling pretty clearly that the fix is in.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., dismissed the impeachment process against President Trump as a political proceeding rather than a judicial one.

"I'm not an impartial juror. This is a political process. There's not anything judicial about it," McConnell told reporters on Tuesday. "The House made a partisan political decision to impeach. I would anticipate we will have a largely partisan outcome in the Senate. I'm not impartial about this at all."
Seems pretty consistent with that guy who (later) had a front-row seat two circuses ago:
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The letter. Oof. I was not aware I could still feel secondhand embarrassment for Trump.
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So I was right to not read it?
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Ellie wrote:
18 Dec 2019, 00:27
The letter. Oof. I was not aware I could still feel secondhand embarrassment for Trump.
Feel it for the poor editor.

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Goddammit! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!

Yes! Of course it would be about deflecting from Trump doing exactly what the idiot said he did on national television. I'll go further an state it would be absolute bullshit. That doesn't mean you get to ignore a fucking congressional subpoena! Now I really do feel like I live in a banana republic.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... mpeachment
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The Dems' only slim hope is that White House officials who have been defying subpoenas change their tune if Chief Justice Roberts (who is constitutionally obligated to preside at the trial) rules that the House impeachment managers can subpoena them.

Biden is undermining efforts to get them to comply.

Besides the issues of principle, it's also possible that Chief Justice Roberts would rule that his testimony isn't relevant. He should be reminding the public of that rather than refusing to comply.
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Pham Nuwen wrote:
28 Dec 2019, 04:01
Goddammit! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!

Yes! Of course it would be about deflecting from Trump doing exactly what the idiot said he did on national television. I'll go further an state it would be absolute bullshit. That doesn't mean you get to ignore a fucking congressional subpoena! Now I really do feel like I live in a banana republic.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... mpeachment
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Aresen wrote:
28 Dec 2019, 10:56
Pham Nuwen wrote:
28 Dec 2019, 04:01
Goddammit! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!

Yes! Of course it would be about deflecting from Trump doing exactly what the idiot said he did on national television. I'll go further an state it would be absolute bullshit. That doesn't mean you get to ignore a fucking congressional subpoena! Now I really do feel like I live in a banana republic.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... mpeachment
It's always appalling when the other side does it.
I think in this case, the problem is Biden ignoring the subpoena gives legitimacy to Trump's team ignoring theirs.
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Warren wrote:
28 Dec 2019, 10:59
Aresen wrote:
28 Dec 2019, 10:56
Pham Nuwen wrote:
28 Dec 2019, 04:01
Goddammit! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck! Fuck!

Yes! Of course it would be about deflecting from Trump doing exactly what the idiot said he did on national television. I'll go further an state it would be absolute bullshit. That doesn't mean you get to ignore a fucking congressional subpoena! Now I really do feel like I live in a banana republic.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4 ... mpeachment
It's always appalling when the other side does it.
I think in this case, the problem is Biden ignoring the subpoena gives legitimacy to Trump's team ignoring theirs.
True. It's no longer a slippery slope. It's free-fall.
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Every time I turn on my local NPR station, they're playing the audio of the impeachment or the trial, and it's always someone retelling what Donald Trump did. Perhaps I just have uniquely bad timing but it implies that these proceedings are just hours and hours and hours of people standing up and saying the exact same thing over and over. Why do so many people need to do this? Why does it all have to take so long?
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Ellie wrote:
24 Jan 2020, 12:01
Every time I turn on my local NPR station, they're playing the audio of the impeachment or the trial, and it's always someone retelling what Donald Trump did. Perhaps I just have uniquely bad timing but it implies that these proceedings are just hours and hours and hours of people standing up and saying the exact same thing over and over. Why do so many people need to do this? Why does it all have to take so long?
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