And Then There Were Four (The Impeachment Thread)

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Post by Taktix® » 19 Oct 2019, 01:12

Gallup: 52% Support Impeachment and Removal

I know he'd be the fourth to be officially cited by impeachment, but how cool would it be to have been alive when the first one was actually pulled from office via a constitutional mechanism? Could it really be?
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Post by Aresen » 19 Oct 2019, 10:27

Taktix® wrote:
19 Oct 2019, 01:12
Gallup: 52% Support Impeachment and Removal

I know he'd be the fourth to be officially cited by impeachment, but how cool would it be to have been alive when the first one was actually pulled from office via a constitutional mechanism? Could it really be?
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Re: And Then There Were Four (The Impeachment Thread)

Post by Jake » 19 Oct 2019, 14:03

Aresen wrote:
19 Oct 2019, 10:27
Taktix® wrote:
19 Oct 2019, 01:12
Gallup: 52% Support Impeachment and Removal

I know he'd be the fourth to be officially cited by impeachment, but how cool would it be to have been alive when the first one was actually pulled from office via a constitutional mechanism? Could it really be?
If you can find a way to 'Blue Pill' 20 GOP Senators, go for it.
There's an old Vulcan proverb: "Only Nixon could go to China". With the way the last week or so has gone, I'm wondering if a future Vulcan proverb will go something like "Only Trump could convince the Republicans to impeach Trump". 'Cause it sure looks like he's trying.
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Re: And Then There Were Four (The Impeachment Thread)

Post by D.A. Ridgely » 19 Oct 2019, 14:03

Aresen wrote:
19 Oct 2019, 10:27
Taktix® wrote:
19 Oct 2019, 01:12
Gallup: 52% Support Impeachment and Removal

I know he'd be the fourth to be officially cited by impeachment, but how cool would it be to have been alive when the first one was actually pulled from office via a constitutional mechanism? Could it really be?
If you can find a way to 'Blue Pill' 20 GOP Senators, go for it.
I haven't looked at the poll, but of course it is irrelevant how many individuals support impeachment and removal unless they are proportionally divided among the states. 39 million Californians favor removal while .5 million oppose? Well, there's two Senate votes to remove. All of Wyoming's roughly 600k citizens oppose removal? Well, that's two Senate votes against. *shrug*

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Post by Pham Nuwen » 19 Oct 2019, 16:55

I just don't believe the Senate will convict and I'm positive it will be spun as vindication by Republicans. Because they will bet, correctly I feel, that their voters are idiots.

This is not an endorsement that other voters are not idiots. Just less idiotic on this particular issue.
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Post by thoreau » 19 Oct 2019, 17:10

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Post by Aresen » 19 Oct 2019, 17:23

Pham Nuwen wrote:
19 Oct 2019, 16:55
I just don't believe the Senate will convict and I'm positive it will be spun as vindication by Republicans.
This is what I fear most about an impeachment trial.
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Post by Mo » 20 Oct 2019, 08:59

I think it depends on the margin. If it’s a pure partisan split, yes. If Dems can get 3 to come over, making it a bipartisan majority of Senators, you can more easily spin it as a negative.
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Post by Mo » 20 Oct 2019, 15:51

Show me a more perfect encapsulation of freebasing MAGA.
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Post by Taktix® » 20 Oct 2019, 21:14

Chris Wallace claims (via some unnamed GOP source) there's a 20% chance that 20 R's will flip: https://thehill.com/homenews/sunday-tal ... ent-chance

Seeing as this is The Hill there's a non-zero chance this is an administration source trying to goad the Dems into impeachment, which it seems to me to be the strategy Trump is pursuing.

It will probably work and get him the impeach-nonconvict he wants, but I think the vindication returns might not be as good as he expects. Trump already claims victory for everything and it's bullshit most of the time and the Dems will be able to spin it as McConnell/the GOP protecting Trump. Given what's come out just in the last month, it's clear the process is going to continue to air out everything the Dem nominee will need to run against him in 2020.
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Post by thoreau » 24 Oct 2019, 12:10

The contrast between Republicans storming the impeachment hearings and Democrats NOT storming closed-door Benghazi hearings is rather striking.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... t-inquiry/

I know that many want to view the two parties as symmetric, and in some ways they are, but Democrats don't push envelopes like Republicans do.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 24 Oct 2019, 20:51

thoreau wrote:
24 Oct 2019, 12:10
The contrast between Republicans storming the impeachment hearings and Democrats NOT storming closed-door Benghazi hearings is rather striking.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... t-inquiry/

I know that many want to view the two parties as symmetric, and in some ways they are, but Democrats don't push envelopes like Republicans do.
The Blues don't want to be seen as leftists, while the Reds have been adopting leftist protest rhetoric and tactics for the last 20-25 years. Some of the Reds that day were even demanding to be arrested.

To echo one of the ex-Reasonoid writers on Twitter, it's a Hell of thing that they do that while encouraging their followers to drive cars into crowds of protestors. (Even to the point of trying to pass laws legalizing it!)

I say don't arrest them, just let the Capitol Police remove any glasses they're wearing, pepper-spray them, and call it even. But I get a little squishy on cruel-and-unusual-punishment when it comes to politicians.
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Post by thoreau » 25 Oct 2019, 10:46

"They were basically like D&D min maxers, but instead of pissing off their DM, they destroyed the global economy. Also, instead of their DM making a level 7 paladin fight a beholder as punishment, he got a +3 sword of turning."
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Post by Aresen » 25 Oct 2019, 11:10

thoreau wrote:
25 Oct 2019, 10:46
That's funny.

If Bolton is fine with overthrowing the leaders of banana republics, why not go for the top banana? (Or orange?)
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Post by Ellie » 28 Oct 2019, 15:31

Guys, I take it all back, commerce is terrible, let's go back to caveman times

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Post by Pham Nuwen » 29 Oct 2019, 07:34

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4678 ... e-too-late

Oh. So you get exactly what you wanted but now it's bad, huh?
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Pham Nuwen wrote:
29 Oct 2019, 07:34
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4678 ... e-too-late

Oh. So you get exactly what you wanted but now it's bad, huh?
Which is why they didn't bother before now. It was always a pretext.
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Post by thoreau » 05 Nov 2019, 22:14

A Red gubernatorial candidate is losing in a Red state after Trump held a rally for him. I don't think the Senate Republicans will stand by him.

We're in the end game now.
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Post by Aresen » 05 Nov 2019, 22:29

thoreau wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 22:14
A Red gubernatorial candidate is losing in a Red state after Trump held a rally for him. I don't think the Senate Republicans will stand by him.

We're in the end game now.
Kentucky was nearly +30 for Trump in 2016. Voter turnout may be a factor here, especially as this is an off-year election, but that does not look good for the Orange One.

OTOH, 23 Red senators (including McConnell*) still face the risk of being primaried by the Trumpists. Might be one of those damned-if-do-damned-if-you-don't problems from their POV.

*McConnell's 2014 margin was only 15.5% over the Blue.

ETA: In 2015, Bevin was only +9 on his Democrat opponent.
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 05 Nov 2019, 23:45

Let's bear in mind that Bevin was not what you'd call a well-loved candidate, that every other state office went to Republicans and that the margin for the gubernatorial race stands at around .4%. It's not like there's any sort of Blue Wave happening in Kentucky and the Mississippi race seems certain to swing to the Red candidate.

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Post by thoreau » 06 Nov 2019, 01:12

Oh, no Blue Wave in KY, to be sure. But Trump sure seems pretty useless to the GOP.

That has to mean something.
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Post by Shem » 06 Nov 2019, 01:40

D.A. Ridgely wrote:
05 Nov 2019, 23:45
Let's bear in mind that Bevin was not what you'd call a well-loved candidate, that every other state office went to Republicans and that the margin for the gubernatorial race stands at around .4%. It's not like there's any sort of Blue Wave happening in Kentucky and the Mississippi race seems certain to swing to the Red candidate.
And the Democratic candidate who won is the son of the still fairly popular former Governor.
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Post by Shem » 06 Nov 2019, 01:53

That being said, what it might have significance for is the prospect of more governors attempting to put ideological acts against Obamacare into practice. Bevin did his best to kill Kynect by ending individual enrollment, something that was quite unpopular among the Appalachian areas of the state. Given the margin, gotta wonder if he's wishing he had been a bit less gung ho about buying red meat with his voter base.
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Post by Pham Nuwen » 06 Nov 2019, 03:46

Didn't Republicans sweep the rest of the state election?

Also. Fuck insomnia.
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Post by Mo » 06 Nov 2019, 04:08

D.A. Ridgely wrote:Let's bear in mind that Bevin was not what you'd call a well-loved candidate, that every other state office went to Republicans and that the margin for the gubernatorial race stands at around .4%. It's not like there's any sort of Blue Wave happening in Kentucky and the Mississippi race seems certain to swing to the Red candidate.
True and while it likely won’t happen to McConnell, he has similarly low approval ratings in Kentucky.


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