Phrases of Irredeemable Stupifaction and Awfulness

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Post by Warren » 27 Aug 2019, 11:38

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27 Aug 2019, 11:14
Similarly for the use of antivaxxer / woo peddling language - when you hear certain things like "power of attraction" or "you manifested illness" you know there's no reason to bother.
See, that strikes me as being on the other side of a very very bright and sharp line. Those are literally irredeemable concepts. There is nothing you can be saying that is worth listening to if you use one of those phrases in support of it.
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I think I'd go ahead and put "snowflake" in there. I believe there is such thing as a snowflake and that there are things to think about with regard to "things that used to be basic life are currently discussed as though they are impossible horrors to confront", but we are way past 95% unreasonable uses of the term. It's just right wing chest thumping for no reason and often with high hypocrisy.
This thread is in danger of becoming "Things I hear from people saying stuff I don't like", and that's like one step away from full on fecal flinging.
I find your original proposal useful. But if it's going to devolve into "things that get repeated a lot", I nominate "Irredeemable Stupifacation" to the list, because then if becomes just part of the problem.
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Re: Phrases of Irredeemable Stupifaction and Awfulness

Post by Warren » 27 Aug 2019, 11:43

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27 Aug 2019, 11:27
"TDS" as a categorical dismissive also getting very close.
Sure. But this gets to my point. I have never seen so many people go completely all-in on sports-bar. It's fitting and proper to coin a phrase for that. Whatever phrase you coin, people are going to throw it around. It is the case that everything is going to be used mostly in bad faith because that's what the chattering masses do. And if everything is irredeemable, then nothing is.
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Re: Phrases of Irredeemable Stupifaction and Awfulness

Post by Ellie » 27 Aug 2019, 13:49

Not quite irredeemable, but someone referring to human women as "females" is rarely a good sign.
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Re: Phrases of Irredeemable Stupifaction and Awfulness

Post by Hugh Akston » 27 Aug 2019, 14:38

Ellie wrote:
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Not quite irredeemable, but someone referring to human women as "females" is rarely a good sign.
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Post by Jennifer » 27 Aug 2019, 21:43

Ellie wrote:
27 Aug 2019, 13:49
Not quite irredeemable, but someone referring to human women as "females" is rarely a good sign.
Which reminds me: "foids," "femoids" and "roasties" absolutely make the "irredeemable" list.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 27 Aug 2019, 23:07

Jennifer wrote:
27 Aug 2019, 21:43
Ellie wrote:
27 Aug 2019, 13:49
Not quite irredeemable, but someone referring to human women as "females" is rarely a good sign.
Which reminds me: "foids," "femoids" and "roasties" absolutely make the "irredeemable" list.
After googling...the fuck.
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Re: Phrases of Irredeemable Stupifaction and Awfulness

Post by Aresen » 28 Aug 2019, 00:01

Eric the .5b wrote:
27 Aug 2019, 23:07
Jennifer wrote:
27 Aug 2019, 21:43
Ellie wrote:
27 Aug 2019, 13:49
Not quite irredeemable, but someone referring to human women as "females" is rarely a good sign.
Which reminds me: "foids," "femoids" and "roasties" absolutely make the "irredeemable" list.
After googling...the fuck.
*googles*

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Post by Ellie » 28 Aug 2019, 00:05

I think I'll avoid googling and enjoy my blissful ignorance.
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Post by Jennifer » 28 Aug 2019, 00:16

Ellie, they're various terms which self-described incels use in lieu of "women" or even "females."
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Post by Mo » 28 Aug 2019, 04:21

Warren wrote:
27 Aug 2019, 11:38
JasonL wrote:
27 Aug 2019, 11:14
I think I'd go ahead and put "snowflake" in there. I believe there is such thing as a snowflake and that there are things to think about with regard to "things that used to be basic life are currently discussed as though they are impossible horrors to confront", but we are way past 95% unreasonable uses of the term. It's just right wing chest thumping for no reason and often with high hypocrisy.
This thread is in danger of becoming "Things I hear from people saying stuff I don't like", and that's like one step away from full on fecal flinging.
I find your original proposal useful. But if it's going to devolve into "things that get repeated a lot", I nominate "Irredeemable Stupifacation" to the list, because then if becomes just part of the problem.
90% of people that use 'snowflake' unironically are themselves snowflakes.
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Post by lunchstealer » 28 Aug 2019, 05:07

“Nobody wants to take your guns.”
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Post by Warren » 28 Aug 2019, 09:25

Mo wrote:
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90% of people that use 'snowflake' unironically are themselves snowflakes.
Okay, but it's still a useful concept.
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Post by JasonL » 28 Aug 2019, 09:42

It's fine to me to have a watch list of contenders and a higher standard for irredeemable. People will have their own views.

I will say, I don't think utterly vacuous is the only way to get you across the line though. Something can start off meaning something then through use just becomes something that is overwhelmingly a signal of a reprehensible or stupid world view.

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Post by Warren » 28 Aug 2019, 10:10

JasonL wrote:
28 Aug 2019, 09:42
It's fine to me to have a watch list of contenders and a higher standard for irredeemable. People will have their own views.

I will say, I don't think utterly vacuous is the only way to get you across the line though. Something can start off meaning something then through use just becomes something that is overwhelmingly a signal of a reprehensible or stupid world view.
I think I'm making a slippery slope argument. I see "utterly vacuous", "reprehensible", "stupid" = "things I disagree with" already creeping in.
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Post by Mo » 28 Aug 2019, 10:57

Warren wrote:
28 Aug 2019, 09:25
Mo wrote:
28 Aug 2019, 04:21
90% of people that use 'snowflake' unironically are themselves snowflakes.
Okay, but it's still a useful concept.
What does it add that 'oversensitive,' 'humorless,' 'easily offended,' etc. doesn't convey?
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Post by Aresen » 28 Aug 2019, 11:05

Mo wrote:
28 Aug 2019, 10:57
Warren wrote:
28 Aug 2019, 09:25
Mo wrote:
28 Aug 2019, 04:21
90% of people that use 'snowflake' unironically are themselves snowflakes.
Okay, but it's still a useful concept.
What does it add that 'oversensitive,' 'humorless,' 'easily offended,' etc. doesn't convey?
'Snowflake' adds a note of derision to the idea those words convey.
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Post by Mo » 28 Aug 2019, 11:41

Humorless is pretty derisive.
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Post by Warren » 28 Aug 2019, 13:32

Snowflake is good. One word to convey fragility and specialness that isn't all that special.
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 28 Aug 2019, 14:12

I could get behind “Nobody wants to take your guns, Snowflake,” though.

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Post by Aresen » 28 Aug 2019, 14:16

Mo wrote:
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Humorless is pretty derisive.
I've known plenty of humorless people who weren't at all sensitive, just dull and boring.
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Post by nicole » 29 Aug 2019, 15:57

I was just reminded that one of my heuristics for immediately abandoning reading something/interacting with someone is use of "tenants" for "tenets."
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Post by JasonL » 29 Aug 2019, 16:15

The tenants have colonized the rooms of your mind. Or something.

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Post by dhex » 29 Aug 2019, 19:59

D.A. Ridgely wrote:
28 Aug 2019, 14:12
I could get behind “Nobody wants to take your guns, Snowflake,” though.
This is fairly common on Twitter.
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Post by lunchstealer » 30 Aug 2019, 18:28

JasonL wrote:
29 Aug 2019, 16:15
The tenants have colonized the rooms of your mind. Or something.
"are squatting in"

c'mon.
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Re: Phrases of Irredeemable Stupifaction and Awfulness

Post by JasonL » 30 Aug 2019, 18:34

Yeah I debated and foolishly went with a “de colonize” play.

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