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JD wrote:
04 Mar 2020, 09:49
Bernie Bro wrote:If Biden wins the nomination, it will be a real lesson in how power works. Bernie was on track to win
This is like the Bizarro World version of "she's electable if you vote for her". If he loses, then clearly no, he was not on track to win.
Biden doesn't excite anyone but a whole bunch of people showed up and voted for him. That is hardly evidence that he's electable. Sanders excites people, and only lost because they didn't show up to vote. Clearly, Sanders is the guy who should be nominated.
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Mo wrote:
04 Mar 2020, 08:16
Tee hee.
Sanders supporters: Bernie’s the only one who can beat Trump & bend the Senate to his will

Also Sanders supporters: we’re helpless in the face of class president-level politics
Bernie Bro wrote:If Biden wins the nomination, it will be a real lesson in how power works. Bernie was on track to win, Biden had no campaign, and they all knew it. So a few phone calls were made behind the scenes to Amy, Pete, Beto. Several million was put into a pro-Warren Super PAC. Voila!
Or, as I put it elsewhere, is the campaign suddenly going to get more fair after the convention? If he can't beat the DNC, how can he beat Trump?
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04 Mar 2020, 10:12
Bloomberg suspends campaign: https://www.axios.com/mike-bloomberg-dr ... 7def6.html
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I'm shocked, shocked to discover young people not turning out to vote... again!

Many young voters sat out Super Tuesday, contributing to Bernie Sanders' losses

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nicole wrote:
04 Mar 2020, 10:12
Bloomberg suspends campaign: https://www.axios.com/mike-bloomberg-dr ... 7def6.html
Insert Bloomberg terminal joke here.
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D.A. Ridgely wrote:
04 Mar 2020, 11:12
I'm shocked, shocked to discover young people not turning out to vote... again!

Many young voters sat out Super Tuesday, contributing to Bernie Sanders' losses
Who has time to vote when you need to be on twitter complaining about how the process is rigged against the clear frontrunner?
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I will admit to mild optimism at this point. And a whole shitload of schadenfreude for Sanders supporters, as they've worn out my patience.
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The stories of rigging on the far left and the regular right sure do ignore the agency of voters. Also, Bernie took a win 30% consistently, but don’t win anyone over strategy. It worked for Trump. The downside is exactly what happened. Perhaps Bernie should have acted more like a front runner instead of alienating supporters of every other candidate, so that when they eventually drop out they vote for you instead of your opponent. When Warren drops out I suspect that a majority of her supporters will go to Biden. I doubt they’re enthusiastic about going to a candidate whose supporters are aggressive assholes to Warren and flood her mentions with snake emojis.
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Mo wrote:
04 Mar 2020, 12:03
The stories of rigging on the far left and the regular right sure do ignore the agency of voters. Also, Bernie took a win 30% consistently, but don’t win anyone over strategy. It worked for Trump. The downside is exactly what happened. Perhaps Bernie should have acted more like a front runner instead of alienating supporters of every other candidate, so that when they eventually drop out they vote for you instead of your opponent. When Warren drops out I suspect that a majority of her supporters will go to Biden. I doubt they’re enthusiastic about going to a candidate whose supporters are aggressive assholes to Warren and flood her mentions with snake emojis.
If I were Biden, I'd offer Warren a cabinet post, maybe Secretary of Education, in return for staying in the race a while longer.

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Head of the CFPB. :twisted:
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Donkeys don’t believe in agency except when they get exactly what they want. It’s all dirty tricks and false consciousness and what’s wrong with Kansas and foreign interference, and manufactured consent.

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JasonL wrote:
05 Mar 2020, 06:10
Donkeys don’t believe in agency except when they get exactly what they want. It’s all dirty tricks and false consciousness and what’s wrong with Kansas and foreign interference, and manufactured consent.
Nobody believes that. It's all dirty tricks and buying voters when Dems win. The American people are secretly libertarian and the moment will be here soon, but never vote that way. That or shadowy corporate interests and the Bilderbergs want to keep the 2 party system.
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In terms of self narratives not actual policy comparisons, I see the buying voters thing differently from the agency thing. Elephants see themselves as running against Santa Claus. I think they get the appeal of free stuff. The left has always seemed particularly prone to denying the agency of voters. It’s the Chomsky narrative, the let’s pretend Russia projected brainwashing beams thing, etc.

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05 Mar 2020, 07:17
In terms of self narratives not actual policy comparisons, I see the buying voters thing differently from the agency thing. Elephants see themselves as running against Santa Claus. I think they get the appeal of free stuff. The left has always seemed particularly prone to denying the agency of voters. It’s the Chomsky narrative, the let’s pretend Russia projected brainwashing beams thing, etc.
They pretend they are not also Santa Claus*. They think minority voters don't vote for them because they are "bought" ignoring their toxic culture and support/acceptance of racism. Supporting welfare doesn't explain why 2/3s of Asian-Americans and 70% of Jews, the two wealthiest demographic groups in the US support the Ds. Ignoring that when it comes to free stuff, the parties are largely indistinguishable (except for what stuff is free) and then blaming voter reactions on that false belief is the exact same sort of disbelief in agency.

* When, if anything, they're an even more egregious version
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This Kevin Williamson piece is a good example of that delusion. Williamson, who frequently pretends to understand business despite only having been a writer, seems to think that the issue is a more employee based culture rather than the world of Henry Ford and JP Morgan (who I guess didn't have employees). There is a potentially interesting insight that can be gleaned from the change in senior leadership culture, but it is likely more the shift from a very mechanistic view of employees, where they are viewed as replaceable interchangeable parts, to one where human capital is more valuable and attracting employees that want to work for you makes you more successful than a purely transactional view. The other thing one could note is that the market is necessarily going to be far to the left of the electorate because non-citizens and young people don't vote, but they do have money and they are a valuable source of employees. Instead it's about "transmission" of Ivy League culture* like it's an infection. One could also note that the old time industrialists were typically far from being culturally conservative and are more properly considered corporatists.

* The irony being is that the Ivy League also used to be a bastion of conservatism.
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Mo wrote:
05 Mar 2020, 07:59
JasonL wrote:
05 Mar 2020, 07:17
In terms of self narratives not actual policy comparisons, I see the buying voters thing differently from the agency thing. Elephants see themselves as running against Santa Claus. I think they get the appeal of free stuff. The left has always seemed particularly prone to denying the agency of voters. It’s the Chomsky narrative, the let’s pretend Russia projected brainwashing beams thing, etc.
They pretend they are not also Santa Claus*. They think minority voters don't vote for them because they are "bought" ignoring their toxic culture and support/acceptance of racism. Supporting welfare doesn't explain why 2/3s of Asian-Americans and 70% of Jews, the two wealthiest demographic groups in the US support the Ds. Ignoring that when it comes to free stuff, the parties are largely indistinguishable (except for what stuff is free) and then blaming voter reactions on that false belief is the exact same sort of disbelief in agency.

* When, if anything, they're an even more egregious version
Where are you getting your Asian and Jewish voting stats?
The R's are definitely delusional on Free Stuff (and more egregious), but the No One Has Agency thing is definitely a D's thing. R's aren't shocked shocked :shock: to learn that minorities voted the other way.
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Pew pew.
Warren wrote:
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R's aren't shocked shocked :shock: to learn that minorities voted the other way.
Pretty sure they're shocked at why. They seem to think minorities vote for Ds for welfare and delinquency, but it's somehow not contradictory that they're targeting the white underclass who share the same characteristics. It wasn't until there was a sharp rise in the alt-right that even some writers considered that maybe their party was a little bit racist.
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Warren is out
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nicole wrote:
05 Mar 2020, 10:54
Warren is out
Which arguably means Bernie is still hanging by a thread. She'd be wise not to endorse either remaining candidate, not that wisdom is the first quality one thinks of when one thinks of her.

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the No One Has Agency thing is definitely a D's thing. R's aren't shocked shocked :shock: to learn that minorities voted the other way.
A certain sort of R/conservative definitely plays the false consciousness card- the whole thing about how black people are "on the plantation" for Democrats, despite being taken for granted/used. Conservatives/libertarians are all "people and their communities know best for themselves" etc., except for "the black vote" which is only out of habit or deceit or bribery. Don't worry, they are *keenly* aware of having been used for a very long time. And yet they *still* generally vote D, which should really tell the Republicans something.
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A large chunk of my twitter TL is devastated about Warren....can I just say...

I cannot even imagine giving a shit whether there is ever a woman president, let alone this year, or in my lifetime, or whatever. I just do not give even half of one fuck. I find this the weirdest fucking fixation.
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D.A. Ridgely wrote:
05 Mar 2020, 11:30
nicole wrote:
05 Mar 2020, 10:54
Warren is out
Which arguably means Bernie is still hanging by a thread.
It's a pretty thick thread. He frickin stomped in CA. More like a string. Twine even. Hell you could call it a rope if we were still allowed to make lynching jokes.
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nicole wrote:
05 Mar 2020, 11:59
A large chunk of my twitter TL is devastated about Warren....can I just say...

I cannot even imagine giving a shit whether there is ever a woman president, let alone this year, or in my lifetime, or whatever. I just do not give even half of one fuck. I find this the weirdest fucking fixation.
I feel you. I never once felt good about W being in office even though he's got a pale dick. Wouldn't even occur to me that my life is better or worse due to what the POTUS has between their legs. But that's just my privilege talking I suppose.
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