Dancing With the Dems

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Warren wrote:
18 Dec 2019, 02:05
Shem wrote:
18 Dec 2019, 01:29
Warren wrote:
17 Dec 2019, 14:14
Shem wrote:
17 Dec 2019, 10:36
JasonL wrote:
17 Dec 2019, 10:11
In a sense. Alt right makes the same case - this is what you get when you don't give dumb insular white dudes a place at the cultural table.

As with the alt right, I can't help but notice that the reason they had no place at the table is they say a lot of dumb things. I'm left with this sense that what is missing is not engagement in the sense we pretend those dumb things are not dumb, but rather we got lax in shaming them into silence.
You're talking as if both parties treat their activist base the same way. They don't. The GOP has been feeding their particular alt-right monster under the table for at least three decades now. That's what Fox News is for. The alt-right isn't demanding a seat at the table because they're being ignored; they're demanding it because one of the coalitions is now built on their ideology. The consensus you miss was built on letting the GOP harness those votes without looking too closely at the implications of the ideology they were using to do it. Or considering what would happen when they realized it was all fake. And at this point, the damage is done.
The Dems are exactly the same point for point.
When moderate Democrats spend their time hemming and hawing about Medicare for all in the face of Bernie Sanders the way moderate Republicans hemmed and hawed about the border wall in the face of Trump, I'll entertain the idea that "both sides are exactly as bad as each other" is anything other than cynical BS.
Just as soon as we get a Democrat President, like clockwork.
Except, the GOP were doing it when everyone figured Trump had a snowball's chance in hell.
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In Shem's evolutionary history, I can buy Reagan as a transitional form. Not that Goldwater was unimpeachable on race issues, but he had a different mindset.
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Trump is the transitional form. Do we want to look at Reagan on trade and immigration - you know the two big things of trumpist populism?

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I would also point out from a historical view anger over immigration tends to be cyclical. It has its highs and lows. It's almost always due to some demographic shift. However, once that shift happens, and it becomes the new normal, its importance fades until another shift is imminent then it becomes a "problem" again.

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Painboy wrote:
18 Dec 2019, 14:31
I would also point out from a historical view anger over immigration tends to be cyclical. It has its highs and lows. It's almost always due to some demographic shift. However, once that shift happens, and it becomes the new normal, its importance fades until another shift is imminent then it becomes a "problem" again.
This. A century ago white people were outraged over the influx of pollocks and micks, now those are the immigrants we want.
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Hugh Akston wrote:
18 Dec 2019, 15:01
Painboy wrote:
18 Dec 2019, 14:31
I would also point out from a historical view anger over immigration tends to be cyclical. It has its highs and lows. It's almost always due to some demographic shift. However, once that shift happens, and it becomes the new normal, its importance fades until another shift is imminent then it becomes a "problem" again.
This. A century ago white people were outraged over the influx of pollocks and micks, now those are the immigrants we want.
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JasonL wrote:
18 Dec 2019, 14:23
Trump is the transitional form. Do we want to look at Reagan on trade and immigration - you know the two big things of trumpist populism?
Is your only problem with Trump what he argues for? Meaning, if he were doing his demagoguery and scapegoating in service of a cause you liked, would that be ok?
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I wouldn't be able to find any politician who didn't use demagoguery as a tool. It's 80% of Elizabeth Warren's playbook for example.

The question is do I believe historical use cases provide a "path" that leads to the unique nothing but demagoguery and populist nonsense of trumpism. No - I don't think there is any connection at all between the welfare queen speech and Donald Trump. Too much material history happened between those times. Reagan had too many other things to stand on - the cold war, military deficits and reforming an undynamic economy. I would say Reagan has populism in his bag like Warren does, but neither of them are pure trumpian populists.

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Slip inside a sleeping bag.

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Team Jason. “Look at what happened to the Republicans when they fed their extreme wing” isn’t going to convince me that the Dems should reciprocate.
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NeoLiberal Mushy Wonkishness Arguing about 10% Differences in Tax Rates - 2020 is a slogan I could get behind.

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Just The Regular Kind of Corruption - 2020

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Hypocrite/Apparatchik 2020
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Make America Talk About Infrastructure Again
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DON'T CARE ANYMORE - 2020
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Warren wrote:
21 Dec 2019, 14:53
DON'T CARE ANYMORE - 2020
I DON'T VOTE 2020
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I always thought the Democratic party was all about Whine Caves.
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That's actually a ways down the list of things he deserves to get fucked for.
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Warren wrote:
25 Dec 2019, 00:39
That's actually a ways down the list of things he deserves to get fucked for.
Didn't RTFA but, hey, he's grooming them for careers in politics! What a guy!

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Insert Paul Manafort joke here
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I'm pretty sure Biden is the president we deserve at this point. Hunter Biden, that is. Having sex with his dead brother's wife, knocking up a stripper, smoking crack in strip clubs, getting jobs due to nepotism/cronyism... truly the leader America deserves for the '20s.
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Stop and frisk was atrocious this is an abomination.

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Mo wrote:
30 Dec 2019, 18:38
Stop and frisk was atrocious this is an abomination.

Like that Republican said, we can impeach people before they even take office, so let's start with Bloomberg.
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FWIW #1 works at Bloomberg and says the open office layout works fine. I'll send you guys the GoFundMe link so I can pay for him to be kidnapped and deprogrammed.
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