The Right Way to View Competing Political Horrors

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Post by Aresen » 06 Jul 2019, 15:49

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Have any Republicans commented on Trump's apparent belief that airports were important military targets during the Revolutionary War?
They haven't had time. They were all attending the Flat Earth Convention.
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Post by JasonL » 07 Jul 2019, 02:11

I definitely heard that BHO made a gaffe once too.

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Post by Jennifer » 07 Jul 2019, 02:37

Do you really think Trump's comment was merely a "gaffe," Jason?
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Post by JasonL » 07 Jul 2019, 02:43

Jennifer wrote:Do you really think Trump's comment was merely a "gaffe," Jason?
I do yes, but to clarify I was eye rolling at right wingers doing the “yeah but Obama said a dumb thing too” thing.

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Post by Warren » 07 Jul 2019, 08:42

If it wasn't a gaffe, DJT is King Troll.
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Post by Number 6 » 07 Jul 2019, 08:54

Warren wrote:
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If it wasn't a gaffe, DJT is King Troll.
Is this a troll?
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Post by Warren » 07 Jul 2019, 09:23

no?
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Post by thoreau » 07 Jul 2019, 11:34

What's really scary is the possibility that the airport remark was in the text of the speech. Which means that at least one other person in the administration thought it should go in there.

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Post by Warren » 07 Jul 2019, 11:42

thoreau wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 11:34
What's really scary is the possibility that the airport remark was in the text of the speech. Which means that at least one other person in the administration thought it should go in there.

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Post by thoreau » 07 Jul 2019, 11:47

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07 Jul 2019, 11:34
What's really scary is the possibility that the airport remark was in the text of the speech. Which means that at least one other person in the administration thought it should go in there.

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If that's the case, what's scary is how many of you fell for it.
Are you one of my colleagues? Is this the part where we say that facts and brains don't matter? Do I get accused of not valuing diversity if I say that book smarts matter?

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Post by Pham Nuwen » 07 Jul 2019, 14:51

I have no idea if this is correct but it felt right when I read it yesterday on reddit.

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Post by Warren » 07 Jul 2019, 15:03

plausible
I don't know to what extent he struggles with reading. He doesn't seem to do much better off the cuff. Got to be one of the least articulate public speakers of all time.

W use to irritate the shit out of me with his Beavis and Butt-Head speaking style, but Trump is so much worse I just laugh.
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Post by thoreau » 07 Jul 2019, 15:15

Pham Nuwen wrote:I have no idea if this is correct but it felt right when I read it yesterday on reddit.

Even if this explanation is true, one of his speechwriters got the Revolutionary War confused with the War of 1812.

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Post by Jennifer » 07 Jul 2019, 15:38

"He's not an ignoramus who thought airports existed during the Revolutionary War; he's merely a seventy-something-year-old man whose reading skills are on par with a struggling first-grader."
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Post by Mo » 07 Jul 2019, 15:52

Jennifer wrote:"He's not an ignoramus who thought airports existed during the Revolutionary War; he's merely a seventy-something-year-old man whose reading skills are on par with a struggling first-grader."
But he’s not stupid, you are for falling for his trick and making fun of him for it.
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Post by thoreau » 07 Jul 2019, 16:01

This is all eleven dimensional chess. It's as brilliant as when W started a war that ignited a massive insurgency, so that terrorists would flock to the flypaper.

Stable geniuses all of them.

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Post by Pham Nuwen » 07 Jul 2019, 16:26

I thought it was just a good explanation how he's made such a gaffe. I mean I feel we already knew he was functionally illiterate but I thought that was a great explanation on how it looks. *shrug*
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Post by Eric the .5b » 07 Jul 2019, 20:27

Pham Nuwen wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 16:26
I thought it was just a good explanation how he's made such a gaffe. I mean I feel we already knew he was functionally illiterate but I thought that was a great explanation on how it looks. *shrug*
It was. People are snarking at Warren's TDS.
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Post by Pham Nuwen » 07 Jul 2019, 21:14

Ah. I missed that.
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Post by Shem » 07 Jul 2019, 21:46

Pham Nuwen wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 16:26
I thought it was just a good explanation how he's made such a gaffe. I mean I feel we already knew he was functionally illiterate but I thought that was a great explanation on how it looks. *shrug*
It could be that. But one of the most important habits you have to break when you're trying to become a really good public speaker is the habit of self-correcting every error you make. There are some that are important to pick back up on, but generally speaking, it's almost always better to continue as if you didn't make a mistake. If you self-correct and nobody picked up on it, you did it for no reason, and made yourself look bad. And if someone did pick up on it, you correcting yourself isn't really going to change anything; it's just going to put you off your flow and make you more nervous. And most people aren't going to remember it after the speech anyway. Given his reluctance to admit any error whatsoever unless it can be made self-serving, it wouldn't surprise me if it was just speaking habits.
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Post by Warren » 07 Jul 2019, 21:53

Shem wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 21:46
Pham Nuwen wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 16:26
I thought it was just a good explanation how he's made such a gaffe. I mean I feel we already knew he was functionally illiterate but I thought that was a great explanation on how it looks. *shrug*
It could be that. But one of the most important habits you have to break when you're trying to become a really good public speaker is the habit of self-correcting every error you make. There are some that are important to pick back up on, but generally speaking, it's almost always better to continue as if you didn't make a mistake. If you self-correct and nobody picked up on it, you did it for no reason, and made yourself look bad. And if someone did pick up on it, you correcting yourself isn't really going to change anything; it's just going to put you off your flow and make you more nervous. And most people aren't going to remember it after the speech anyway. Given his reluctance to admit any error whatsoever unless it can be made self-serving, it wouldn't surprise me if it was just speaking habits.
Yeah. He's use to being surrounded by yes-men and being in control of the narrative. No experience with the sort of public speech making required of politicians.
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Post by Aresen » 07 Jul 2019, 22:37

Warren wrote:
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Yeah. He's use to being surrounded by yes-men and being in control of the narrative. No experience with the sort of public speech making required of politicians.
I think the part about yes-men is critical. He simply does not deal well with criticism, and automatically turns to name-calling when someone contradicts him.
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Post by thoreau » 07 Jul 2019, 22:47

Again, even if we grant the most charitable interpretation of the airport remark, there's still the references to the War of 1812 in the midst of a Revolutionary War discussion. His speechwriters are fucking stupid.

But, for Warren's sake, we'll just assume that the Don himself is acting on a cunning plan.

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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 07 Jul 2019, 23:40

thoreau wrote:
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But, for Warren's sake, we'll just assume that the Don himself is acting on a cunning plan.
You mean that he's a cunning lingu....

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Post by Warren » 07 Jul 2019, 23:54

thoreau wrote:
07 Jul 2019, 22:47
Again, even if we grant the most charitable interpretation of the airport remark, there's still the references to the War of 1812 in the midst of a Revolutionary War discussion. His speechwriters are fucking stupid.

But, for Warren's sake, we'll just assume that the Don himself is acting on a cunning plan.

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I can believe The Donald is that stupid, but his speechwriters? I dunno. I wouldn't think so, but the people around him are chosen for their brownnosing enthusiasm. So maybe? Do we even know who his speechwriters are?
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