Calling 2024 for AOC

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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by lunchstealer » 07 Feb 2019, 04:59

Ellie wrote:The people on my Facebook friends list are really doubling down on this whole "AOC will usher in a new age" fantasy.
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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by JD » 07 Feb 2019, 10:25

thoreau wrote:
06 Feb 2019, 23:36
Interestingly, during the primary (the only race that mattered, since the general election was guaranteed to go to the Blue) AOC did best in whiter, gentrified neighborhoods, and Crowley did best in poorer, non-white neighborhoods.

https://theintercept.com/2018/07/01/oca ... blishment/

There's a certain type of white liberal who desperately needs to been as the sort of person who supports a person like AOC.
AOC is very likable to them because she's ethnic but not, you know, TOO ethnic.
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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by Pham Nuwen » 07 Feb 2019, 11:29

JD wrote:
07 Feb 2019, 10:25
thoreau wrote:
06 Feb 2019, 23:36
Interestingly, during the primary (the only race that mattered, since the general election was guaranteed to go to the Blue) AOC did best in whiter, gentrified neighborhoods, and Crowley did best in poorer, non-white neighborhoods.

https://theintercept.com/2018/07/01/oca ... blishment/

There's a certain type of white liberal who desperately needs to been as the sort of person who supports a person like AOC.
AOC is very likable to them because she's ethnic but not, you know, TOO ethnic.
And that's probably the most important part to them. That and she's a loudmouth but for their team.
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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by thoreau » 07 Feb 2019, 11:51

How long before AOC is deemed to have committed a sin against intersectionality?
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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by Warren » 07 Feb 2019, 12:48

Eric the .5b wrote:
07 Feb 2019, 00:13
Ellie wrote:
06 Feb 2019, 23:03
thoreau wrote:
06 Feb 2019, 22:13
Anyone who looks at that picture and thinks that the boys are thinking about anything other than bewbs has clearly never met a teenage boy before.
Some of them might be thinking about her legs ... ?
Also ass, but as we've been warned, that will make men gay.
The more I think about that, the more convince I am that it has to be projection.
Bubblelicious butts drive men gay? I can't even.
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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by Eric the .5b » 07 Feb 2019, 13:33

Warren wrote:
07 Feb 2019, 12:48
Eric the .5b wrote:
07 Feb 2019, 00:13
Ellie wrote:
06 Feb 2019, 23:03
thoreau wrote:
06 Feb 2019, 22:13
Anyone who looks at that picture and thinks that the boys are thinking about anything other than bewbs has clearly never met a teenage boy before.
Some of them might be thinking about her legs ... ?
Also ass, but as we've been warned, that will make men gay.
The more I think about that, the more convince I am that it has to be projection.
Bubblelicious butts drive men gay? I can't even.
Like I said, not a thing straight men say.
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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by JasonL » 07 Feb 2019, 16:42

OMG guys the Green New Deal is the stupidest thing I've ever seen in my life.


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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by nicole » 07 Feb 2019, 16:53

Jason you don't even know

Check out @noahpinion today, I'm not a huge fan but he's losing it over this
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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by JasonL » 07 Feb 2019, 17:01

For real, Ive seen High School lefty debate team types with more compelling proposals. She's super, super stupid.

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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by Aresen » 07 Feb 2019, 17:20

thoreau wrote:
07 Feb 2019, 11:51
How long before AOC is deemed to have committed a sin against intersectionality?
July this year.
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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by Ellie » 07 Feb 2019, 17:20

Guys you just call whatever you're doing an "investment" and it somehow pays for itself, duh
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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by Aresen » 07 Feb 2019, 17:24

Ellie wrote:
07 Feb 2019, 17:20
Guys you just call whatever you're doing an "investment" and it somehow pays for itself, duh
The phrase "...in our future" absolves all fiscal sins.
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Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by Mo » 07 Feb 2019, 18:22

My understanding is that there are two things. The Green New Deal, which is boilerplate and the AOC FAQs, which are bonkers and have pissed people, even on the left, off.

I mean this dude is her chief of staff, because of course he is.

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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by Jennifer » 07 Feb 2019, 19:08

Warren wrote:
07 Feb 2019, 12:48
Eric the .5b wrote:
07 Feb 2019, 00:13
Ellie wrote:
06 Feb 2019, 23:03
thoreau wrote:
06 Feb 2019, 22:13
Anyone who looks at that picture and thinks that the boys are thinking about anything other than bewbs has clearly never met a teenage boy before.
Some of them might be thinking about her legs ... ?
Also ass, but as we've been warned, that will make men gay.
The more I think about that, the more convince I am that it has to be projection.
Bubblelicious butts drive men gay? I can't even.
The idea that Roosh's lifelong claims of hypersexuality with women is merely compensating for his actually being gay makes plenty of sense on its own, and his latest inanity only adds more evidence to the theory.
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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by dead_elvis » 07 Feb 2019, 19:49

thoreau wrote:
07 Feb 2019, 11:51
How long before AOC is deemed to have committed a sin against intersectionality?
She probably will, eventually, but she seems savvy enough to be able to say the right things ("I appreciate being called out and I will strive to do better etc. and we mustn't let infighting distract us from the real enemy/goals etc etc."). Non-progressives getting in on the criticism will be dismissed as concern trolls.
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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by thoreau » 07 Feb 2019, 20:53

dead_elvis wrote:
07 Feb 2019, 19:49
thoreau wrote:
07 Feb 2019, 11:51
How long before AOC is deemed to have committed a sin against intersectionality?
She probably will, eventually, but she seems savvy enough to be able to say the right things ("I appreciate being called out and I will strive to do better etc. and we mustn't let infighting distract us from the real enemy/goals etc etc."). Non-progressives getting in on the criticism will be dismissed as concern trolls.
I'll go further and say that non-progressives joining in will be correctly seen as just doing it for the cynical pleasure, and that will help her survive the inevitable tweetstorm.
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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by Hugh Akston » 07 Feb 2019, 21:53

Here's a bullet point breakdown of the GND
  1. Building “smart,” energy-efficient national power grids to transition to renewable power, including energy storage solutions and technologies and improvements that overlap with all of the other Green New Deal projects.
  2. Overhauling America’s transportation systems to eliminate greenhouse gas emissions and environmental degradation from transportation.
  3. Replacing carbon-emitting electricity generation with wind, solar and other renewables. Also expanding existing renewable power sources and deploying new production and storage capacity to meet 100 percent of national power demand through renewable sources.
  4. Upgrading residential and industrial buildings for state-of-the-art energy efficiency, comfort and safety, creating millions of new high-wage jobs in every community and fostering ownership by communities.
  5. Investing in and working with U.S. industry to eliminate greenhouse gas emissions from production.
  6. Investing in and working with American farmers to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from agriculture.
  7. Making adequate capital, technical expertise and other forms of assistance available to all communities, organizations and corporations in the nation, especially those that have historically gone underserved.
  8. Making “green” technology, industry, expertise, products and services a major export of the United States and promoting global cooperation and exchange of “green” technology, industry, expertise, products and services to encourage a global Green New Deal.
This is my favorite hand-waving justification:
This does not require “new taxes” or “more debt” while inflation is nonexistent. And since (a) well over $5 trillion in tax cut and war expenditures in recent years have not triggered inflation, (b) the Fed has yet to get inflation consistently up to its 2 percent target and (c) the Green New Deal will produce new goods to keep pace with and absorb its expenditures, there is no more reason to let conservative fear-mongering halt progress here than there was to let it halt wars or tax cuts.
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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by Ellie » 07 Feb 2019, 22:08

I enjoyed how she justified it in the NPR interview:
INSKEEP: It would have the United States set a goal to become carbon neutral in 10 years, which is a very ambitious timeline. This resolution says what should be done but offers few specifics on how to do it. That would have to come in later legislation. ... You're talking about things that obviously would cost a lot of money. I know you'd rather think of it as an investment rather than a cost, but it is just certainly a lot of money. You don't specify where it's going to come from, other than saying it will all pay for itself.

OCASIO-CORTEZ: Yeah. I think the first thing that we need to do is kind of break the mistaken idea that taxes pay for a hundred percent of government expenditure. It's just not how government expenditure works. ... government projects are often financed by a combination of taxes, deficit spending and other kinds of investments - you know, bonds and so on.

INSKEEP: Well, I get that. But deficit spending is borrowing money that has to be paid back eventually through taxes.

OCASIO-CORTEZ: Yeah. And I think it - I think that is always the crux of it. So when we decide to go into the realm of deficit spending, we have to do so responsibly. We ask, is this an investment or is this actually going to pay for itself?

INSKEEP: So you're saying borrow the money, make the investment. The economy will grow. It will pay off the debt.

OCASIO-CORTEZ: Absolutely. Because we're creating jobs.
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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by Rachel » 07 Feb 2019, 23:49

By my address, AOC is my congressperson

By my voter registration, which I stubbornly refuse to change, Josh Gottheimer, one of the only Jews in Congress is my representative. I voted for him twice.

The only way I would change my voter registration is if Josh is a sure thing next election, and then I will register in this district and vote against AOC out of spite.
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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by nicole » 08 Feb 2019, 07:58

When I read the Stephanie Kelton tweetstorm last night I legit thought I was on mushrooms for a minute.
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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by JD » 08 Feb 2019, 08:12

Beep boop, you silly humans.

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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by JasonL » 08 Feb 2019, 09:04

I can’t believe they just went full MMT. It’s not even trying to hide from its candyland childishness.

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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by Andrew » 08 Feb 2019, 09:24

JasonL wrote:
08 Feb 2019, 09:04
I can’t believe they just went full MMT. It’s not even trying to hide from its candyland childishness.
Full MMT or full DMT?
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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by JasonL » 08 Feb 2019, 09:40

I can't tell the difference. When your model of the economy has Paul Krugman going "wait wait, you can't spend THAT much with debt", you have really accomplished something.

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Re: Calling 2024 for AOC

Post by JasonL » 08 Feb 2019, 09:42

I've never understood from MMT people how they see something like Greece or Spain (they had their own Green New Deal) and the fallout from their debts. Under MMT terms it literally shouldn't matter - there's no such thing as stressing your economy with debt so long as you are "lending to each other".

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