Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

User avatar
lunchstealer
Posts: 17864
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 17:25
Location: The Local Fluff in the Local Bubble

Re: Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

Post by lunchstealer »

And to clarify, the response was to the discussion a few pages back of the fact that none of us is going to do well at the Olympic level.
"The constitution is more of a BDSM agreement with a safe word." - Sandy

"Neoliberalism. Austerity. Booga booga!!!!" - JasonL

"We can't confirm rumors that Lynndie England is in the running to be Gina Haspel's personal aide." - DAR

User avatar
Warren
Posts: 28268
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 17:03
Location: Goat Rope MO
Contact:

Re: Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

Post by Warren »

lunchstealer wrote:
11 Aug 2019, 16:32
Warren wrote:
11 Aug 2019, 15:12
lunchstealer wrote:
11 Aug 2019, 14:31
FWIW, In 2004 I fenced against a member of the 1996 US Olympic fencing team and only lost my bout 5-1. A year or so later I lost 5-4 to the under-19 US champion and the Over-60 US champion (two different bouts, not the same person). The U-19 guy was psychotically fast, while the over-60 guy just knew what I was going to do before I did because he'd seen it all before.
These are women? Trans women?

ETA
I'm having trouble digesting the phrase "psychotically fast".
the speed of that little fucker was without empathy.
That would be 'sociopathically fast'.
THIS SPACE FOR RENT

User avatar
Warren
Posts: 28268
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 17:03
Location: Goat Rope MO
Contact:

Re: Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

Post by Warren »

lunchstealer wrote:
11 Aug 2019, 16:34
And to clarify, the response was to the discussion a few pages back of the fact that none of us is going to do well at the Olympic level.
OFFS. If you're responding to something that isn't the post immediately above, have the common decency to include a quote. If only for the link.
THIS SPACE FOR RENT

User avatar
Dangerman
Posts: 6833
Joined: 07 May 2010, 12:26

Re: Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

Post by Dangerman »

Many places even use divisions at the school level to keep schools with 3000 kids from statistically overwhelming schools with 500 kids.

User avatar
lunchstealer
Posts: 17864
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 17:25
Location: The Local Fluff in the Local Bubble

Re: Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

Post by lunchstealer »

Dangerman wrote:
11 Aug 2019, 18:26
Many places even use divisions at the school level to keep schools with 3000 kids from statistically overwhelming schools with 500 kids.
Yeah, SC had 4 divisions when I started, and added a fifth for the largest of the large my senior year. We were about 1000-1200 students at the time and were in the 3A division (where 4A and then 5A were the biggest). There was still a ~100 student four year high school in my county with its tiny town constantly fighting to keep the district from shutting it down and sending those kids to my high school. But anyone who wanted to take AP courses had to come to my high school anyway.
"The constitution is more of a BDSM agreement with a safe word." - Sandy

"Neoliberalism. Austerity. Booga booga!!!!" - JasonL

"We can't confirm rumors that Lynndie England is in the running to be Gina Haspel's personal aide." - DAR

User avatar
lunchstealer
Posts: 17864
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 17:25
Location: The Local Fluff in the Local Bubble

Re: Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

Post by lunchstealer »

Warren wrote:
11 Aug 2019, 17:11
lunchstealer wrote:
11 Aug 2019, 16:34
And to clarify, the response was to the discussion a few pages back of the fact that none of us is going to do well at the Olympic level.
OFFS. If you're responding to something that isn't the post immediately above, have the common decency to include a quote. If only for the link.
You can't make me.

Also it was close to the end of the page and I didn't notice there were three more pages after.
"The constitution is more of a BDSM agreement with a safe word." - Sandy

"Neoliberalism. Austerity. Booga booga!!!!" - JasonL

"We can't confirm rumors that Lynndie England is in the running to be Gina Haspel's personal aide." - DAR

User avatar
lunchstealer
Posts: 17864
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 17:25
Location: The Local Fluff in the Local Bubble

Re: Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

Post by lunchstealer »

Warren wrote:
11 Aug 2019, 17:09
lunchstealer wrote:
11 Aug 2019, 16:32
Warren wrote:
11 Aug 2019, 15:12
lunchstealer wrote:
11 Aug 2019, 14:31
FWIW, In 2004 I fenced against a member of the 1996 US Olympic fencing team and only lost my bout 5-1. A year or so later I lost 5-4 to the under-19 US champion and the Over-60 US champion (two different bouts, not the same person). The U-19 guy was psychotically fast, while the over-60 guy just knew what I was going to do before I did because he'd seen it all before.
These are women? Trans women?

ETA
I'm having trouble digesting the phrase "psychotically fast".
the speed of that little fucker was without empathy.
That would be 'sociopathically fast'.
They're largely synonymous, with the most common definitions having 'psychopath' as someone who was basically born psychopathic, and a 'sociopath' becoming psychopathic because of childhood abuse, neglect, or trauma. Both are mostly deprecated as of DSM-V in favor of Antisocial Personality Disorder.
"The constitution is more of a BDSM agreement with a safe word." - Sandy

"Neoliberalism. Austerity. Booga booga!!!!" - JasonL

"We can't confirm rumors that Lynndie England is in the running to be Gina Haspel's personal aide." - DAR

User avatar
Warren
Posts: 28268
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 17:03
Location: Goat Rope MO
Contact:

Re: Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

Post by Warren »

lunchstealer wrote:
11 Aug 2019, 19:28
Warren wrote:
11 Aug 2019, 17:09
lunchstealer wrote:
11 Aug 2019, 16:32
Warren wrote:
11 Aug 2019, 15:12
lunchstealer wrote:
11 Aug 2019, 14:31
FWIW, In 2004 I fenced against a member of the 1996 US Olympic fencing team and only lost my bout 5-1. A year or so later I lost 5-4 to the under-19 US champion and the Over-60 US champion (two different bouts, not the same person). The U-19 guy was psychotically fast, while the over-60 guy just knew what I was going to do before I did because he'd seen it all before.
These are women? Trans women?

ETA
I'm having trouble digesting the phrase "psychotically fast".
the speed of that little fucker was without empathy.
That would be 'sociopathically fast'.
They're largely synonymous, with the most common definitions having 'psychopath' as someone who was basically born psychopathic, and a 'sociopath' becoming psychopathic because of childhood abuse, neglect, or trauma. Both are mostly deprecated as of DSM-V in favor of Antisocial Personality Disorder.
Psychopath yes. Psychotic no.
THIS SPACE FOR RENT

User avatar
lunchstealer
Posts: 17864
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 17:25
Location: The Local Fluff in the Local Bubble

Re: Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

Post by lunchstealer »

Oh whoops. I meant psychopathically, actually.
"The constitution is more of a BDSM agreement with a safe word." - Sandy

"Neoliberalism. Austerity. Booga booga!!!!" - JasonL

"We can't confirm rumors that Lynndie England is in the running to be Gina Haspel's personal aide." - DAR

User avatar
Dangerman
Posts: 6833
Joined: 07 May 2010, 12:26

Re: Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

Post by Dangerman »

“Louis Anglesey, Earl of Upnor—pushes a sword like a demon, doesn't he? You'd never guess he's only fourteen!"

User avatar
Warren
Posts: 28268
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 17:03
Location: Goat Rope MO
Contact:

Re: Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

Post by Warren »

lunchstealer wrote:
11 Aug 2019, 20:43
Oh whoops. I meant psychopathically, actually.
oh
That's different

nevermind.
THIS SPACE FOR RENT

User avatar
Jasper
Posts: 3299
Joined: 27 Apr 2010, 07:56
Location: Newyorkachusetts

Re: Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

Post by Jasper »

I agree with Warren, from a few posts up.
"i'd like to move toward not combusting except on special occasions like arbor day." - dhex

User avatar
Ellie
Posts: 12789
Joined: 21 Apr 2010, 18:34

Re: Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

Post by Ellie »

JK Rowling discussion moved behind the veil upon request: viewtopic.php?f=6&t=2893
"2019 has got to stop injecting dmt straight in the dick hole." - dhex

User avatar
D.A. Ridgely
Posts: 19331
Joined: 26 Apr 2010, 17:09
Location: The Other Side

Re: Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

Post by D.A. Ridgely »

I understand, insofar as I care, about the distinctions currently being made between sex and gender and that there are a number, though I suspect not all that large a number, of people who describe and identify their gender in a manner likely if not actually calculated to cause confusion to others and spark controversy and disputation, etc., etc. I also get how many would say that, shifting cultural and social norms aside, there are reasons not to permit participation by post-op transsexual women in women's athletic competitions. I'm not quite sure how encouraging the use of "pregnant people" over "pregnant women" accomplishes much, though there have been at least a few federal court cases drawing the distinction regarding equal protection that a law providing protections or rights to pregnant women is not sex discrimination because the protections accrue to those who are pregnant, presumably "regardless of their sex."

All this said, I guarantee that if the future provides some technologically miraculous way of transmuting every cell in one's body from XX to XY or vice versa resulting in a both genotypical and phenotypical member of whichever sex the person opted for, there will still be people who would say "Oh, well, what really counts is how you were when you were born." As with so many other culture wars, the facts are not determinative for either side, so it's pretty much pointless trying to persuade people on that basis.

User avatar
Ellie
Posts: 12789
Joined: 21 Apr 2010, 18:34

Re: Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

Post by Ellie »

I'm lazily posting this here instead of finding a more apt thread, because this one has ACLU in the title.

I've never been to a town hall. I want to learn more about local issues but I also fear this might just depress me. Point in favor: free food. Point against: ACLU-MN didn't even give me an interview when I applied for a job there last year, so fuck them.

Should I attend this?

https://www.aclu-mn.org/en/events/traffic-ticket-jail
"2019 has got to stop injecting dmt straight in the dick hole." - dhex

User avatar
Hugh Akston
Posts: 18635
Joined: 05 May 2010, 15:51
Location: El Pueblo de Nuestra Señora Reina de los Angeles

Re: Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

Post by Hugh Akston »

Policing for profit and snowballing fines are a significant driver of poverty, homelessness, mass incarceration, and police brutality. If you're concerned about those things this would be a good way to learn about how they manifest locally. Sure they're depressing, but their might be discussion about how to challenge and change the laws. If you really want to work for the local ACLU, showing up at their town halls and mingling is a good way to get noticed. Plus free food.
"Is a Lulztopia the best we can hope for?!?" ~Taktix®
"Somali pirates are beholden to their hostages in a way that the USG is not." ~Dangerman

User avatar
Jennifer
Posts: 24888
Joined: 28 Apr 2010, 14:03

Re: Is the ACLU getting too Woke?

Post by Jennifer »

I co-sign everything Hugh said.
"Myself, despite what they say about libertarians, I think we're actually allowed to pursue options beyond futility or sucking the dicks of the powerful." -- Eric the .5b

Post Reply