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Nick Land

Post by dbcooper » 04 Jun 2018, 09:20

Have spent the last few months in Europe before retreating back to the antipodes, where we are suffering a much delayed version of your globalist ennui. It's still bad though.

How do you fellows view his accelerationsist philosophy? Is European style social-democracy (very carefully not socialism) just another mollifying diversion that makes global capitalism more palatable, and ultimately faster?

Here's Land's take on libertarianism's hopelessness:

https://jacobitemag.com/2017/08/11/psycho-politics/

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Re: Nick Land

Post by JasonL » 04 Jun 2018, 09:36

Missed you dude.

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Re: Nick Land

Post by dbcooper » 04 Jun 2018, 09:42

Hey mate, good to hear.

Moving to China very soon. Big highlight of the last month was a wedding in Zurich - Marc Chagall stained glass in the chapel and air on a g-string on the two organs.
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Re: Nick Land

Post by JasonL » 04 Jun 2018, 09:55

First pass - the limits of this kind of thinking are in the assumptions that cultural preferences are not influenced to any great degree by facts on the ground and inframarginal effects. That is, women persistently and at all margins prefer more government. I don't think this is likely the case. In particular, and without much evidence I grant, I'd suspect a an emerging rift in the preferences of women who are primary earners from those who are primary caregivers. Political participation of a static 1950s Betty Draper type may indeed entail some number of illiberal compromises - but normal participation in marketplaces - say in the form of a Peggy - probably mitigates the scope of that sort of thing.

I think a similar process applies when dealing with cultures that have emerged in low trust governance and societies. I think it naive to suggest a static set of preferences when you lift people from low trust society and let them live in high trust market environments over a period of time. Yes yes adjustment time, shocking the system etc, but I don't think the set of preferences is in any particular way tied inherently to pigmentation nor the shape of naughty bits. It's too simple.

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Re: Nick Land

Post by dbcooper » 04 Jun 2018, 10:00

Yeah, the "women are socialists" stuff was much too simplistic, which the white women vote for Republicans amply demonstrated in 2016.

The libertarian vs. nationalism part may rest on the size of the country and its homogeneity.
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Re: Nick Land

Post by JasonL » 04 Jun 2018, 10:05

For the record - I think the effect of wealth on the libertarian project is much more toxic than the effects of globalism or integration of illiberal cultural instincts. The realest of real inflationary concerns to me is the inflation of expectations that everything must be solved by a dedicated agent - nothing is okay or can be allowed to stand no matter how insignificant in real risk terms it might be. White mommies calling protective services on each other. The naturalistic religious instincts of the bored educated classes. Everything is a crisis when we don't have any real crises.

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Re: Nick Land

Post by Warren » 04 Jun 2018, 10:28

dbcooper wrote:
04 Jun 2018, 09:20
How do you fellows view his accelerationsist philosophy?
There's nothing left of sound economic policy in Europe or North America. Whatever else is going on, the acceleration of the collapse of fiat is going to trump everything. I simply can't believe we can keep the printing presses rolling and inflation at bay indefinitely. Pick one: Turn off the faucet or let our money evaporate. Either way cities burn.
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Re: Nick Land

Post by thoreau » 04 Jun 2018, 12:04

Glad you're back, dbcooper. I was worried that something went wrong with parachuting out of the plane.
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Re: Nick Land

Post by Mo » 04 Jun 2018, 18:30

Welcome back dude.
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Re: Nick Land

Post by Pham Nuwen » 04 Jun 2018, 20:34

I've been meaning to introduce a measure decreeing a set minimum of dbcooper posts. I assume that will be tabled now.

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Re: Nick Land

Post by Warren » 04 Jun 2018, 20:49

Pham Nuwen wrote:
04 Jun 2018, 20:34
I've been meaning to introduce a measure decreeing a set minimum of dbcooper posts. I assume that will be tabled now.

Welcome back.
Hmmm interesting. I'd like to hear the arguments from both sides of the aisle.
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Re: Nick Land

Post by dbcooper » 06 Jun 2018, 06:41

Thanks dudes.

That article was sort of you usual triumphant "libertarianism is dead and was just anglophone white dudes protecting their money", but oddly for the obscurantist accelerationist-socialist/possible crypto-fascist, Nick Land, it was relatively straight forward. Perhaps it was a recruitment effort? To what he hopes will appeal to anyone is unknown.

There were a bunch of problems with it, not least that small government (as in low taxes) movements were successful in asia and eastern-europe.

Still, a bit of something different.
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Re: Nick Land

Post by Jennifer » 06 Jun 2018, 20:00

[Skims article] I wonder how Land's "women's suffrage caused welfare states" theory accounts for Bismarck's founding the first modern welfare state several decades before German women got the right to vote?
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Re: Nick Land

Post by Jake » 08 Jun 2018, 17:06

Jennifer wrote:
06 Jun 2018, 20:00
[Skims article] I wonder how Land's "women's suffrage caused welfare states" theory accounts for Bismarck's founding the first modern welfare state several decades before German women got the right to vote?
Suffrage has ripple effects in both directions through time. Don't you know anything? ;)

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Re: Nick Land

Post by Jennifer » 08 Jun 2018, 17:11

Jake wrote:
08 Jun 2018, 17:06
Jennifer wrote:
06 Jun 2018, 20:00
[Skims article] I wonder how Land's "women's suffrage caused welfare states" theory accounts for Bismarck's founding the first modern welfare state several decades before German women got the right to vote?
Suffrage has ripple effects in both directions through time. Don't you know anything? ;)
[Headsmack] Of course! Silly me; once again my internal genitalia prevents my understanding of Big Important Issues, the way wise men like Nick Land can.
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