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Re: Random Observations C.A (306 pages is enough)

Post by Warren » 17 Mar 2019, 16:11

JasonL wrote:
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Of course there are. You ever seen the “save your dog or save a stranger” results? Yeah.
I've not heard of that, but given my experience with dogs and strangers I don't think saving your dog ahead of a stranger is necessarily the wrong call.
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Re: Random Observations C.A (306 pages is enough)

Post by dhex » 17 Mar 2019, 18:14

JasonL wrote:
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Of course there are. You ever seen the “save your dog or save a stranger” results? Yeah.
The larger issue is they think cats can be autistic
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Re: Random Observations C.A (306 pages is enough)

Post by Shem » 17 Mar 2019, 18:50

dhex wrote:
17 Mar 2019, 18:14
JasonL wrote:
17 Mar 2019, 14:30
Of course there are. You ever seen the “save your dog or save a stranger” results? Yeah.
The larger issue is they think cats can be autistic
No, the larger issue is that they think any cat is *not* autistic.
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Re: Random Observations C.A (306 pages is enough)

Post by Warren » 17 Mar 2019, 19:11

Shem wrote:
17 Mar 2019, 18:50
dhex wrote:
17 Mar 2019, 18:14
JasonL wrote:
17 Mar 2019, 14:30
Of course there are. You ever seen the “save your dog or save a stranger” results? Yeah.
The larger issue is they think cats can be autistic
No, the larger issue is that they think any cat is *not* autistic.
right?
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Re: Random Observations C.A (306 pages is enough)

Post by Mo » 17 Mar 2019, 19:26

Beto is up to his old hacking antics. You gotta be careful with those fax servers and phone phreakers.

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Re: Random Observations C.A (306 pages is enough)

Post by Aresen » 17 Mar 2019, 20:58

Shem wrote:
17 Mar 2019, 18:50
dhex wrote:
17 Mar 2019, 18:14
JasonL wrote:
17 Mar 2019, 14:30
Of course there are. You ever seen the “save your dog or save a stranger” results? Yeah.
The larger issue is they think cats can be autistic
No, the larger issue is that they think any cat is *not* autistic.
Narcissistic, definitely. Sometimes manic. Not sure about autistic.
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Re: Random Observations C.A (306 pages is enough)

Post by Shem » 17 Mar 2019, 22:16

Let's see:
Avoiding eye contact
Delayed speech and communication skills
Reliance on rules and routines
Being upset by relatively minor changes
Unexpected reactions to sounds, tastes, sights, touch and smells
Difficulty understanding other people’s emotions
Focusing on or becoming obsessed by a narrow range of interests or objects
Engaging in repetitive behavior such as flapping hands or rocking
Cats hit at least half of those. They're definitely on the spectrum somewhere.
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Re: Random Observations C.A (306 pages is enough)

Post by Aresen » 18 Mar 2019, 00:23

Shem wrote:
17 Mar 2019, 22:16
Let's see:
Avoiding eye contact
Delayed speech and communication skills
Reliance on rules and routines
Being upset by relatively minor changes
Unexpected reactions to sounds, tastes, sights, touch and smells
Difficulty understanding other people’s emotions
Focusing on or becoming obsessed by a narrow range of interests or objects
Engaging in repetitive behavior such as flapping hands or rocking
Cats hit at least half of those. They're definitely on the spectrum somewhere.
You've just described 90% of H&R Commenters.
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Re: Random Observations C.A (306 pages is enough)

Post by lunchstealer » 18 Mar 2019, 01:28

Aresen wrote:
18 Mar 2019, 00:23
Shem wrote:
17 Mar 2019, 22:16
Let's see:
Avoiding eye contact
Delayed speech and communication skills
Reliance on rules and routines
Being upset by relatively minor changes
Unexpected reactions to sounds, tastes, sights, touch and smells
Difficulty understanding other people’s emotions
Focusing on or becoming obsessed by a narrow range of interests or objects
Engaging in repetitive behavior such as flapping hands or rocking
Cats hit at least half of those. They're definitely on the spectrum somewhere.
You've just described 90% of H&R Commenters.
There's a reason this board is inundated by cat pictures, too.
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Re: Random Observations C.A (306 pages is enough)

Post by dhex » 23 Mar 2019, 07:07

So apparently you can't die from skin exposure to fentanyl? All those passed out cops eree having panic attacks or something hence why the narcan didn't work.
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Post by nicole » 23 Mar 2019, 08:51

Yep.
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Post by Pham Nuwen » 23 Mar 2019, 09:49

I've busted syringes and spilled ampules on my hands before with no issues. I didn't realize that was a common urban legend among peeps.
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Post by Warren » 24 Mar 2019, 14:53

This was a thing?
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Re: Random Observations C.A (306 pages is enough)

Post by Number 6 » 26 Mar 2019, 01:40

dhex wrote:
23 Mar 2019, 07:07
So apparently you can't die from skin exposure to fentanyl? All those passed out cops eree having panic attacks or something hence why the narcan didn't work.
Yeah, I could have told you that. Fentanyl patches are a thing, but passing skin contact with the drug is not going to do anything. I've gotten it on myself more than once.
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Post by dhex » 26 Mar 2019, 07:00

Someone should have told law enforcement in MD about that. I know fd/em folk here who definitely believe it.
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Post by Number 6 » 26 Mar 2019, 07:17

Pham Nuwen wrote:
23 Mar 2019, 09:49
I've busted syringes and spilled ampules on my hands before with no issues. I didn't realize that was a common urban legend among peeps.
Quick question for the pharm guy: I know that fentanyl patches are a thing. But since fentanyl by itself isn't a transdermal drug, what is the mechanism that allows it to go through the skin? I'm not finding a good answer on teh googlewebs.
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Re: Random Observations C.A (306 pages is enough)

Post by Solitudinarian » 26 Mar 2019, 07:21

Number 6 wrote:
26 Mar 2019, 07:17
Pham Nuwen wrote:
23 Mar 2019, 09:49
I've busted syringes and spilled ampules on my hands before with no issues. I didn't realize that was a common urban legend among peeps.
Quick question for the pharm guy: I know that fentanyl patches are a thing. But since fentanyl by itself isn't a transdermal drug, what is the mechanism that allows it to go through the skin? I'm not finding a good answer on teh googlewebs.
Not the pharm guy, but DMSO maybe?
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Post by nicole » 26 Mar 2019, 07:37

dhex wrote:
26 Mar 2019, 07:00
Someone should have told law enforcement in MD about that. I know fd/em folk here who definitely believe it.
But if they acted like they knew that, they wouldn’t be able to have all of inmates’ mail diverted to a corporation that will scan and email them the messages so they can never hold a greeting card or child’s drawing in their own hands.
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Post by Highway » 26 Mar 2019, 09:01

Yeah, being a cruel, craven shithead is what a lot of these cops and especially prison guards get off on. Anything that helps them out on that is worth being willfully ignorant about.
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Post by Pham Nuwen » 26 Mar 2019, 09:15

Number 6 wrote:
26 Mar 2019, 07:17
Pham Nuwen wrote:
23 Mar 2019, 09:49
I've busted syringes and spilled ampules on my hands before with no issues. I didn't realize that was a common urban legend among peeps.
Quick question for the pharm guy: I know that fentanyl patches are a thing. But since fentanyl by itself isn't a transdermal drug, what is the mechanism that allows it to go through the skin? I'm not finding a good answer on teh googlewebs.
I'm not a pharm person. That would be traveller. I did look it up real quick to make sure my understanding was correct.

It's a concentration gradient. It can diffuse across the skin from high concentration(patch) to low concentration(skin).

Now how does it get absorbed across the keratinized(and water proof) layers to the sub dermal layers? Not sure. I'll ask traveller when she wakes up.
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Post by dbcooper » 26 Mar 2019, 11:45

Number 6 wrote:
26 Mar 2019, 07:17
Pham Nuwen wrote:
23 Mar 2019, 09:49
I've busted syringes and spilled ampules on my hands before with no issues. I didn't realize that was a common urban legend among peeps.
Quick question for the pharm guy: I know that fentanyl patches are a thing. But since fentanyl by itself isn't a transdermal drug, what is the mechanism that allows it to go through the skin? I'm not finding a good answer on teh googlewebs.
It's a small molecule that's lipophilic enough to permeate the skin at a reasonable rate (more so than other opiates), and it's high potency means that a lot doesn't have to be delivered. Prepare a small amount at high concentration, let it diffuse into the blood, get diluted, then pass through the blood-brain barrier.
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Post by Pham Nuwen » 26 Mar 2019, 12:18

What db said. Traveller said it's just a small molecule that diffuses across the skin barrier over time. She also said it's possible to overdose on just regular skin contact but would take a really really long time. I got the impression you would have to have a continous amount on your skin for hours before it even crossed the skin barrier enough to affect you. Which is another way of saying you can't overdose on it like that.
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Post by Number 6 » 26 Mar 2019, 13:05

That makes sense. The information on the patches suggests up to 24 hours before there's any relief. That, and the relatively small amount that Pham and I have both gotten on ourselves at one time or another, explains why neither of us felt any effect. And, of course, just emphasizes the stupidity of the claim that cops somehow OD'd by touching the devil's pain med.

ETA: Thanks to Pham and DB for the information.
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Post by Pham Nuwen » 26 Mar 2019, 13:41

Yeah. I've busted about a half dozen ampules on myself thanks to omnicells being shit for ampules. Probably about the same for the pre-made syringes because the plungers are shit and kind of pop out. Granted the plunger falling out is rare. It's not like I can just leave the OR setting and casually wash my hands. PPE precautions are a pain in the ass. I'm going to finish up before I leave.
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Post by Ellie » 26 Mar 2019, 17:22

Wasn't there a case where a cop got fentanyl on himself while arresting a guy, and claimed to OD because of it, and so they charged the guy with additional assaulting an officer? I hope I'm misremembering, but unfortunately this sounds like the sort of thing that could happen.
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