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Re: Random Observations C.A (306 pages is enough)

Post by lunchstealer » 04 Apr 2018, 16:45

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Re: Random Observations C.A (306 pages is enough)

Post by Fin Fang Foom » 04 Apr 2018, 17:24

Mo wrote:
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My U.K. immigration application asked me if I committed war crimes or acts of genocide. Who the fuck answers yes to that? Who is down with genocide, but draws the line at lying on an immigration form?
Well, if you lie, they can throw in jail later rather than just expelling you.

In any event, that's nothing compared to question 13 of the linked from Uncle Sam:

https://www.uscis.gov/system/files_forc ... download=1
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Re: Random Observations C.A (306 pages is enough)

Post by Andrew » 04 Apr 2018, 17:42

Mo wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 15:35
My U.K. immigration application asked me if I committed war crimes or acts of genocide. Who the fuck answers yes to that? Who is down with genocide, but draws the line at lying on an immigration form?
Something Nazi something universal categorical imperative.
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Post by JD » 04 Apr 2018, 18:22

Mo wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 15:35
My U.K. immigration application asked me if I committed war crimes or acts of genocide. Who the fuck answers yes to that? Who is down with genocide, but draws the line at lying on an immigration form?
Yeah, but if you lie, and then they find out you did commit war crimes, they might not be able to successfully prosecute you for the war crimes, but they can kick you out for lying on your immigration forms! Take that, war criminals!
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Post by Kwix » 04 Apr 2018, 19:15

Fin Fang Foom wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 17:24
Mo wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 15:35
My U.K. immigration application asked me if I committed war crimes or acts of genocide. Who the fuck answers yes to that? Who is down with genocide, but draws the line at lying on an immigration form?
Well, if you lie, they can throw in jail later rather than just expelling you.

In any event, that's nothing compared to question 13 of the linked from Uncle Sam:

https://www.uscis.gov/system/files_forc ... download=1
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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 04 Apr 2018, 19:30

As someone who has actually done work with asylum seekers, these questions all actually make sense and are pretty useful.

Also, they wouldn't just boot you for lying on a form, they'd either send you to a place where you would be prosecuted or put you in prison for a few years for lying on the form then boot you.
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Post by Mo » 04 Apr 2018, 21:30

Actually it’s a good way to suss out lawful evil characters in your party.
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Post by Shem » 04 Apr 2018, 22:41

And, depending on who you genocided and what you have to offer, it's entirely possible they'll totally be cool with it. Just ask friends of America like Dr. Shiro Ishii, the Johnny Appleseed of bubonic plague in Manchuria/most famous independent consultant in the history of Fort Detrick.
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Post by Mo » 04 Apr 2018, 22:55

As I said at work today, "Maybe you're German and good at rockets. Coincidentally, we need a space program. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"

Though you have to think war criminals get some secret, back-room stamped visa as opposed to the off-the-shelf application.
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Post by Ellie » 04 Apr 2018, 23:09

Mo wrote:
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Actually it’s a good way to suss our lawful evil characters in your party.
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Post by Mo » 04 Apr 2018, 23:22

Fin Fang Foom wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 19:30
As someone who has actually done work with asylum seekers, these questions all actually make sense and are pretty useful.

Also, they wouldn't just boot you for lying on a form, they'd either send you to a place where you would be prosecuted or put you in prison for a few years for lying on the form then boot you.
But why wouldn't they send you a place to prosecute you for telling the truth? Isn't the crux of the issue the war crimes and genocide and not the lying?
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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 04 Apr 2018, 23:36

Mo wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 23:22
Fin Fang Foom wrote:
04 Apr 2018, 19:30
As someone who has actually done work with asylum seekers, these questions all actually make sense and are pretty useful.

Also, they wouldn't just boot you for lying on a form, they'd either send you to a place where you would be prosecuted or put you in prison for a few years for lying on the form then boot you.
But why wouldn't they send you a place to prosecute you for telling the truth? Isn't the crux of the issue the war crimes and genocide and not the lying?
They would, assuming there is a place that can or would charge.

If you did commit these crimes, and they didn't ask you, they might not be able to extradite.
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Post by Kolohe » 05 Apr 2018, 11:32

https://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/data_statis ... /index.htm

More gay people smoke cigarettes than any other intersectional slice except Native Americans.
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Post by Ellie » 05 Apr 2018, 11:33

Internet confession: just reading that made me really crave a cigarette :-/
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Post by Kolohe » 05 Apr 2018, 11:37

Correction - except Native Americans and multi-race individuals. (Thanks, Obama?)
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Post by Warren » 05 Apr 2018, 11:41

The education stuff is really fascinating. Getting a GED seems to be a strong indicator of poor decision making. Much better to remain a dropout.
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Post by Kolohe » 05 Apr 2018, 11:51

If you got no degree, you got no job and no money for smokes.

If you got a GED you got a job, but it's shitty, so you smoke.
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Post by Warren » 05 Apr 2018, 11:53

Well there you go. Poor decision making.
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Post by JD » 05 Apr 2018, 11:55

Warren wrote:
05 Apr 2018, 11:41
The education stuff is really fascinating. Getting a GED seems to be a strong indicator of poor decision making. Much better to remain a dropout.
Current cigarette smoking was highest among persons with a graduate education degree certificate (GED) and lowest among those with a graduate degree.
  • About 24 of every 100 adults with 12 or fewer years of education (no diploma) (24.1%)
  • Nearly 41 of every 100 adults with a GED certificate (40.6%)
  • Nearly 20 of every 100 adults with a high school diploma (19.7%)
  • Nearly 19 of every 100 adults with some college (no degree) (18.9%)
  • Nearly 17 of every 100 adults with an associate’s degree (16.8%)
  • Nearly 8 of every 100 adults with an undergraduate degree (7.7%)
  • Nearly 5 of every 100 adults with a graduate degree (4.5%)
I wonder if being a dropout and not getting a GED indicates you've done pretty well even without a diploma, whereas getting a GED indicates you weren't doing so well as a dropout.
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Post by nicole » 05 Apr 2018, 11:58

Since when is being cool a bad decision?
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Post by dead_elvis » 05 Apr 2018, 12:56

I thought GEDs were for kids who were smart enough to figure out that high school was stupid. Obviously ivy leagues probably won't take you but I've always thought the smartest thing to do is drop out, get GED and go straight to college.
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Post by Warren » 05 Apr 2018, 13:13

nicole wrote:
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Post by Warren » 05 Apr 2018, 13:17

dead_elvis wrote:
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I thought GEDs were for kids who were smart enough to figure out that high school was stupid. Obviously ivy leagues probably won't take you but I've always thought the smartest thing to do is drop out, get GED and go straight to college.
That sounds good in theory. Is that what you did? I don't believe I ever met anyone that did that. I've met people that went to college prior to their 18th birthday. But they either received a diploma from the school or didn't bother.
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Post by Shem » 05 Apr 2018, 13:29

dead_elvis wrote:
05 Apr 2018, 12:56
I thought GEDs were for kids who were smart enough to figure out that high school was stupid. Obviously ivy leagues probably won't take you but I've always thought the smartest thing to do is drop out, get GED and go straight to college.
Most people I know like that took advantage of Running Start programs at their local community college and wound up with a diploma and associates when they graduated. GED...well, there's a reason we always called it "Good Enough Diploma."
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Post by nicole » 05 Apr 2018, 13:38

I know a bunch of people who went to Simon's Rock and even for them it was a mix. My bff left high school with nothing, other people with less shitty high schools had their schools award them diplomas because they were going to college, and other people who didn't but did transfer had to get GEDs for the school they were transferring to, even though they were going with an AA.
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