No touching! - sexual impropriety thread

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Re: No touching! - sexual impropriety thread

Post by Eric the .5b » 23 Jan 2018, 22:07

JasonL wrote:
23 Jan 2018, 21:17
*everyone ponders which gryllers are bone permissible on these terms*
Everyone?

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Re: No touching! - sexual impropriety thread

Post by Andrew » 23 Jan 2018, 22:17

Eric the .5b wrote:
23 Jan 2018, 22:05
There are a fuckton of first dates where one or both participants go home feeling shitty, and nobody's going to change that.
It sounds like just the thing for the legal system to get involved in. That'll fix everything!
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Post by thoreau » 23 Jan 2018, 23:38

Shem wrote:
thoreau wrote:
23 Jan 2018, 20:26
Shem wrote:
23 Jan 2018, 20:13
I'm beginning to think the best rule of thumb is "don't bone strangers."
Then the question is what constitutes a stranger?
Two separate encounters. You cease to be a stranger when I met you for the second time.
Ansari and Grace had sex the second time they interacted in person.
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Post by thoreau » 24 Jan 2018, 00:21

JasonL wrote:*everyone ponders which gryllers are bone permissible on these terms*
One thing's for sure: Julian still won't fuck us.
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Post by nicole » 24 Jan 2018, 18:13

At this point I mostly just feel bad for Pat Meehan #internetconfessions
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Post by Sandy » 25 Jan 2018, 11:07

Stealing a socialist's idea: we just need a number of libertarian honeypots to work in congressional offices and turn them all into the Liberty Caucus.
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Post by Andrew » 25 Jan 2018, 11:19

Sandy wrote:
25 Jan 2018, 11:07
Stealing a socialist's idea: we just need a number of libertarian honeypots to work in congressional offices and turn them all into the Liberty Caucus.
Well, if you can get all 12 libertarian women involved...
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Post by Eric the .5b » 25 Jan 2018, 16:05

Andrew wrote:
25 Jan 2018, 11:19
Sandy wrote:
25 Jan 2018, 11:07
Stealing a socialist's idea: we just need a number of libertarian honeypots to work in congressional offices and turn them all into the Liberty Caucus.
Well, if you can get all 12 libertarian women involved...
...There's a new girl?
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Post by Mo » 26 Jan 2018, 12:11

It's always the people you most expect.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/dozens-of- ... 1516985953
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Post by the innominate one » 26 Jan 2018, 12:38

Stereotypes exist for a reason.
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Post by Kolohe » 26 Jan 2018, 12:48

I thought that was going to be the David Cooperfield story before clicking the link
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Post by the innominate one » 04 Feb 2018, 07:36

Uma Thurman speaks

"This Is Why Uma Thurman Is Angry"

https://nyti.ms/2GKjF1l
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Post by Warren » 04 Feb 2018, 09:47

the innominate one wrote:
04 Feb 2018, 07:36
Uma Thurman speaks

"This Is Why Uma Thurman Is Angry"

https://nyti.ms/2GKjF1l
Why doesn't she name the guy that actually raped her?
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Post by Highway » 04 Feb 2018, 10:44

Warren wrote:
04 Feb 2018, 09:47
the innominate one wrote:
04 Feb 2018, 07:36
Uma Thurman speaks

"This Is Why Uma Thurman Is Angry"

https://nyti.ms/2GKjF1l
Why doesn't she name the guy that actually raped her?
Because
1) it doesn't matter who it was in the greater point that it's happening.
2) naming whoever it is changes the conversation to solely be about that person, an incident 30 years ago, and 'he said / she said'.
3) the piece isn't about that person, it's about Uma Thurman.
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Post by Warren » 04 Feb 2018, 11:19

Highway wrote:
04 Feb 2018, 10:44
Warren wrote:
04 Feb 2018, 09:47
the innominate one wrote:
04 Feb 2018, 07:36
Uma Thurman speaks

"This Is Why Uma Thurman Is Angry"

https://nyti.ms/2GKjF1l
Why doesn't she name the guy that actually raped her?
Because
1) it doesn't matter who it was in the greater point that it's happening.
2) naming whoever it is changes the conversation to solely be about that person, an incident 30 years ago, and 'he said / she said'.
3) the piece isn't about that person, it's about Uma Thurman.
So what? Because Weinstein has already been identified, she can tell her me too story. But she doesn't want to bring an accusation against the actor that raped her, because "this is about me, not about him"?
I'm not being dismissive, I just don't get it.

ETA
Wait. I'm totally dismissive of this
it doesn't matter who it was in the greater point that it's happening.
It totally matters who it was. That it's happening is because of who it was.
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Post by Highway » 04 Feb 2018, 12:31

No. If she names a name, like we saw with Aziz Ansari, or with Kevin Spacey, or with any other name, it becomes solely about that person, and a referendum on whether that particular person is a good person or a bad person, and about "I didn't do it, it's just her word against mine". It immediately loses applicability to any of the other people who have similar behaviors that haven't been named yet.

The point is that the culture hides and protects those who commit assault. That it belittles and shames the people that it happens to. That being a well-known name and a respected person generally doesn't mean a whole lot in the micro-culture. If the point is to change the culture, then naming names is important, but so is saying that it's not necessarily the name that does it, it's the culture.
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Post by Andrew » 04 Feb 2018, 12:35

the innominate one wrote:
04 Feb 2018, 07:36
Uma Thurman speaks

"This Is Why Uma Thurman Is Angry
Because that introduction to Oprah never panned out?
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Post by thoreau » 04 Feb 2018, 13:37

Highway wrote:
04 Feb 2018, 12:31
No. If she names a name, like we saw with Aziz Ansari, or with Kevin Spacey, or with any other name, it becomes solely about that person, and a referendum on whether that particular person is a good person or a bad person, and about "I didn't do it, it's just her word against mine". It immediately loses applicability to any of the other people who have similar behaviors that haven't been named yet.

The point is that the culture hides and protects those who commit assault. That it belittles and shames the people that it happens to. That being a well-known name and a respected person generally doesn't mean a whole lot in the micro-culture. If the point is to change the culture, then naming names is important, but so is saying that it's not necessarily the name that does it, it's the culture.
And the thing of it is that the culture is kind of right to question a person who levels the allegation. Because the only thing worse than questioning the person who levels the allegation is just accepting all allegations. Because sociopaths, borderline personalities, and all the rest are real.

The biggest problem is not that allegations are questioned, but that known creeps are tolerated. If somebody says "Hey, Aziz Ansari is a rapist!" and it's the first we've heard of it, we can and should ask questions before we decide to never again give our money to any store carrying any item advertised during any show he was ever on. On the other hand, if it's well known in a certain community that Ansari is a creep (i.e. it's gone beyond one allegation, and it's a consensus among people in a position to know), but he's treated as a guy in good standing, that's a problem with the community. If it's taken as a given that this will happen to young actresses but whatevz, that's a problem with the community.
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Post by Jadagul » 04 Feb 2018, 17:23

Highway wrote:
04 Feb 2018, 12:31
No. If she names a name, like we saw with Aziz Ansari, or with Kevin Spacey, or with any other name, it becomes solely about that person, and a referendum on whether that particular person is a good person or a bad person, and about "I didn't do it, it's just her word against mine". It immediately loses applicability to any of the other people who have similar behaviors that haven't been named yet.

The point is that the culture hides and protects those who commit assault. That it belittles and shames the people that it happens to. That being a well-known name and a respected person generally doesn't mean a whole lot in the micro-culture. If the point is to change the culture, then naming names is important, but so is saying that it's not necessarily the name that does it, it's the culture.

Given that I'm somewhat annoyed by that article naming Ansari---and feel like it would have been rather more productive not to have named him---I definitely can't get upset by a different article not naming someone.

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Post by Kolohe » 08 Feb 2018, 17:07

And now Ed Crane at Cato. (Though frankly I wouldn't have known who Crane was out of context. He hasn't been the public/media face of Cato or the Greater Libertarian Co Prosperity Sphere since I've been old enough to be paying attention)
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Post by Mo » 08 Feb 2018, 21:00

Wasn't Crane one of those "open secrets"?
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Post by Warren » 08 Feb 2018, 21:05

How am I suppose to react to finding out some guy in his 70's was a letch back in the day?
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Post by Sandy » 09 Feb 2018, 12:38

Sure, everybody mocked Julian's "Not gonna fuck you" stance, but who's laughing now?
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Post by Dangerman » 09 Feb 2018, 12:43

"I won't fuck you" is the new "Don't talk to cops"

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