Painboy wrote: ↑
12 Oct 2017, 15:35
lunchstealer wrote: ↑
12 Oct 2017, 14:27
Shem wrote: ↑
12 Oct 2017, 13:53
Are these the same moderate Republicans who were going to keep Trump from the White House?
Well, in the primary, they were split too many ways to get the early momentum. If Kasich and others had dropped out earlier, we might have either a president Cruz or president Hdawg. Not happy with either option, but it's a thing. If the Bush/Rubio/Graham wing had consolidated behind Kasich early enough, we'd definitely have a President Kasich. That at least would be better than what we've got.
I would also point out that Trump's approval ratings indicate there's clearly been some buyers remorse by many since the election. If you ran the primaries again now I don't see Trump having much success. I know incumbents are always said to have the advantage but at this point I'm not sure it's enough to make his candidacy a lock.
I agree that if all
Americans knew then what they know now, Trump likely would not have won the primaries--if
the various Republican wannabe presidents also were wise enough to get their shit together and have a bunch of them bow out and not-run, rather than dilute the voter pool the way they did. But -- regarding the Trump voters who now give him low approval ratings -- a lot of them still seem to cling to the idea "Yeah, well, at least he's not Hillary."
So, again assuming everyone a year ago had today's knowledge, I'm still not convinced Trump would've lost in a Trump-v-Hillary election. He almost certainly would've lost some
voters we've read about, like the "immigrants who voted for Trump and then were dismayed to discover his anti-immigrant rhetoric was directed against them
," but enough to actually lose the electoral college? I dunno -- I rather doubt Warren is the only white American to say things like "I'll take Trump over W or the Chosen One any day. Things are getting worse at the slowest rate since Y2K."
"Myself, despite what they say about libertarians, I think we're actually allowed to pursue options beyond futility or sucking the dicks of the powerful." -- Eric the .5b