Silicon Valley Disrupts Its Own Ass

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Re: Silicon Valley Disrupts Its Own Ass

Post by lunchstealer » 04 May 2018, 02:46

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02 May 2018, 14:08
“Activists at Google” helped organize a rally critical of President Donald Trump’s policies. “Militia at Google” members discussed their desire to overturn a prohibition on guns in the office. “Conservatives at Google” allege discrimination against right-leaning job candidates. “Sex Positive at Google” group members are concerned that explicit content is being unfairly removed from Google Drive file-sharing software.

“Googlers For Animals” invited the PETA president, only to be undercut by members of the “Black Googler Network.”
I can imagine the group that I bolded saying, "What do you mean my pictures are 'not safe for work'? You're not safe for work, Puritan!"
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Re: Silicon Valley Disrupts Its Own Ass

Post by Kolohe » 04 May 2018, 07:49

Fin Fang Foom wrote:
03 May 2018, 22:41
Mo wrote:
03 May 2018, 22:40
Fin Fang Foom wrote:
thoreau wrote:
02 May 2018, 20:12

As I get older I'm developing more and more appreciation for the drawing of lines.
The Germans are good at this.

The starting point to bringing bit back is referring to people as "Mr." or "Ms." rather than by first names.
Do not ask a German colleague how they are doing unless you are ready for the unvarnished truth.
Which is exactly right. Say hello or whatever, don't ask how's it going or similar. How the fuck such a stupid custom got started I don't know.
I'm on my third Chinese Duolingo module, and I learned that Ni Hao ("Hello") transliterates to "You good?"
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Re: Silicon Valley Disrupts Its Own Ass

Post by Dangerman » 04 May 2018, 11:43

Mo wrote:
03 May 2018, 17:33
Dangerman wrote:
03 May 2018, 13:09
It's a good point that we should not assume that Google (read: the service, the algorithm, the product) is a neutral arbiter of information, when it's clear that the org has specific institutional values.
When companies grow above a certain size, politics cease to matter for business purposes. Maybe at the tiniest f margins, like which state to extort receive tax rebates from, but that's why companies that make a stink about bathroom bills do business in countries where homosexuality is illegal or companies that are for free speech hand over customer information to the government rather than close up shop in a market. The politics of a company are not made up of the sum of their employees' politics.
I would compare it to the way we describe news organizations as having certain biases, both as a tradition of the institution, and as something that can be cultivated by the goals or motives of the leadership.

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Post by Jasper » 04 May 2018, 12:13

Kolohe wrote:
04 May 2018, 07:49

I'm on my third Chinese Duolingo module, and I learned that Ni Hao ("Hello") transliterates to "You good?"
An aside: my wife has signed up to teach in China this summer for a week or so through the cultural exchange program at her school. So she's just gotten into Duolingo for the past week. She practices on the dozen or so Chinese exchange students, who are all mostly very shy and reserved, except for one girl who took a shine to my wife last year. So my wife is practicing Ni Hao with them and getting odd reactions, so she asks the one girl why. The girl explains that the way my wife is saying it, the inflection, isn't so much "Hello, how are you?" as it is "How are your cancer treatments?"
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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 04 May 2018, 12:14

Kolohe wrote:
04 May 2018, 07:49
Fin Fang Foom wrote:
03 May 2018, 22:41
Mo wrote:
03 May 2018, 22:40
Fin Fang Foom wrote:
thoreau wrote:
02 May 2018, 20:12

As I get older I'm developing more and more appreciation for the drawing of lines.
The Germans are good at this.

The starting point to bringing bit back is referring to people as "Mr." or "Ms." rather than by first names.
Do not ask a German colleague how they are doing unless you are ready for the unvarnished truth.
Which is exactly right. Say hello or whatever, don't ask how's it going or similar. How the fuck such a stupid custom got started I don't know.
I'm on my third Chinese Duolingo module, and I learned that Ni Hao ("Hello") transliterates to "You good?"
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Post by Mo » 05 May 2018, 15:49

Part of me is glad that my personal online data will far under GDPR rules.
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Post by Jadagul » 06 May 2018, 18:05

Apparently the GDPR is dangerously close to killing off WHOIS, which is really kind of concerning.

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Post by Kolohe » 06 May 2018, 18:35

They're not merely replacing it with the 21st century version, WHODIS?
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Post by thoreau » 06 May 2018, 19:14

It's not nice to dis people.
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Post by Number 6 » 06 May 2018, 21:04

thoreau wrote:
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It's not nice to dis people.
What about deese people?
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Post by Eric the .5b » 06 May 2018, 21:07

"Just" block Europe off the internet. A reverse version of the Great Firewall of Chine.
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Post by Ellie » 07 May 2018, 09:07

Kolohe wrote:
06 May 2018, 18:35
They're not merely replacing it with the 21st century version, WHODIS?
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by Mo » 27 Oct 2018, 16:30

Twitter apologizes for not removing reported death threats from MAGAbomber and has decided to take firm action and suspend his account.
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Post by Aresen » 27 Oct 2018, 18:50

Mo wrote:
27 Oct 2018, 16:30
Twitter apologizes for not removing reported death threats from MAGAbomber and has decided to take firm action and suspend his account.
Sometimes I feel very sorry for hardworking Onion writers.
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Post by Mo » 20 Nov 2018, 18:41

Silicon Valley has gone from reinventing current ideas to reinventing abandoned bad ideas. Welcome to machine learning ... phrenology.

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Post by Mo » 19 Dec 2018, 05:38

Facebook is a scumbag company that deserves to be shut down. They gave Spotify, Netflix, and Royal Bank of Canada the ability to read and write (!) access to users’ private Facebook messages without informing users of this and gave Apple access to users’ contacts and calendar entries, even if they had disabled data sharing.
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Post by Warren » 19 Dec 2018, 10:09

Mo wrote:
19 Dec 2018, 05:38
Facebook is a scumbag company that deserves to be shut down. They gave Spotify, Netflix, and Royal Bank of Canada the ability to read and write (!) access to users’ private Facebook messages without informing users of this and gave Apple access to users’ contacts and calendar entries, even if they had disabled data sharing.
Yes they're a scumbag company. But I don't see any reason to "shut them down". If people stop using Facebook the problem corrects itself. If they don't, well it's not really a problem is it?
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Post by nicole » 19 Dec 2018, 10:49

Warren wrote:
19 Dec 2018, 10:09
Mo wrote:
19 Dec 2018, 05:38
Facebook is a scumbag company that deserves to be shut down. They gave Spotify, Netflix, and Royal Bank of Canada the ability to read and write (!) access to users’ private Facebook messages without informing users of this and gave Apple access to users’ contacts and calendar entries, even if they had disabled data sharing.
Yes they're a scumbag company. But I don't see any reason to "shut them down". If people stop using Facebook the problem corrects itself. If they don't, well it's not really a problem is it?
That is false. They have tons of data about people who don't use Facebook but who do visit sites that have Facebook tracking pixels. It is not possible to use the internet and not deal with Facebook at this point.
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Post by Warren » 19 Dec 2018, 10:54

nicole wrote:
19 Dec 2018, 10:49
Warren wrote:
19 Dec 2018, 10:09
Mo wrote:
19 Dec 2018, 05:38
Facebook is a scumbag company that deserves to be shut down. They gave Spotify, Netflix, and Royal Bank of Canada the ability to read and write (!) access to users’ private Facebook messages without informing users of this and gave Apple access to users’ contacts and calendar entries, even if they had disabled data sharing.
Yes they're a scumbag company. But I don't see any reason to "shut them down". If people stop using Facebook the problem corrects itself. If they don't, well it's not really a problem is it?
That is false. They have tons of data about people who don't use Facebook but who do visit sites that have Facebook tracking pixels. It is not possible to use the internet and not deal with Facebook at this point.
Even so, it's revenue is almost entirely from ads, which will dry up the instant people start leaving in droves.
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Post by nicole » 19 Dec 2018, 10:55

Warren wrote:
19 Dec 2018, 10:54
nicole wrote:
19 Dec 2018, 10:49
Warren wrote:
19 Dec 2018, 10:09
Mo wrote:
19 Dec 2018, 05:38
Facebook is a scumbag company that deserves to be shut down. They gave Spotify, Netflix, and Royal Bank of Canada the ability to read and write (!) access to users’ private Facebook messages without informing users of this and gave Apple access to users’ contacts and calendar entries, even if they had disabled data sharing.
Yes they're a scumbag company. But I don't see any reason to "shut them down". If people stop using Facebook the problem corrects itself. If they don't, well it's not really a problem is it?
That is false. They have tons of data about people who don't use Facebook but who do visit sites that have Facebook tracking pixels. It is not possible to use the internet and not deal with Facebook at this point.
Even so, it's revenue is almost entirely from ads, which will dry up the instant people start leaving in droves.
Lol.

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Post by Mo » 19 Dec 2018, 11:16

Interesting how much of this violates the 2011 settlement with the FTC on privacy. Depending on how many people affected, $16K a violation may force them to shut themselves down.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 19 Dec 2018, 13:49

I'm not against Facebook getting shut down for the dishonest crap they've been pulling. I am against the inevitable flood of hamfisted regulations on the subject that we're going to get when Team Blue gets back into office. Particularly since at least some of them will be aimed at enhancing Blue political outreach and/or hampering Red political outreach (that does not consist of fascism or Russian bots).
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Post by Number 6 » 19 Dec 2018, 18:44

Perhaps I'm overly cynical, but my reaction to the FB story was something like, "Well, what the hell did you think they did with your information?" I've taken it as a given from day one that nothing there, including private messages, was exempt from being read by someone, somewhere.

In fairness, I'm moving more and more into the Social Media Dalenda Est camp these days. There may be some value there, but it's outweighed by the awfulness of the overall endeavor.
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Re: Silicon Valley Disrupts Its Own Ass

Post by Mo » 19 Dec 2018, 18:46

Circumventing privacy settings that you allow the user to set seems like a pretty big breech of trust and borderline (or not) fraudulent. Sharing what is promised as private communications with third parties without your consent is even worse and likely runs afoul of other laws.
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Re: Silicon Valley Disrupts Its Own Ass

Post by Jadagul » 19 Dec 2018, 19:13

I really want a bit more precision about what exactly they did. The NYT article is apparently lumping "allowed third-party client access to Facebook services" in with everything else, which makes it hard to figure out what they actually did.

(As in, I would be very upset if Pidgin were _not_ allowed to both read and edit my messaging history. That's the whole point).

But some of this stuff could also be really bad, but the reporting isn't clear enough for me to feel like I know what's going on.

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