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Post by JasonL » 05 Oct 2017, 19:11

Right and if you try you get bad things. The argument was syntax not any kind of constitutional principal that mattered to the actual structure or administration of the law. If you shoot it down on those grounds you get a hit to the legitimacy of SCOTUS.

Most of what SCOTUS does is nibble at the edges in narrowly tailored decisions that constrain overreach where they see it. You don't want them deciding health policy in a world where we already have conceded all of the salient constitutional points of a government mandated public insurance program.

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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 05 Oct 2017, 19:24

JasonL wrote:Right and if you try you get bad things. The argument was syntax not any kind of constitutional principal that mattered to the actual structure or administration of the law. If you shoot it down on those grounds you get a hit to the legitimacy of SCOTUS.

Most of what SCOTUS does is nibble at the edges in narrowly tailored decisions that constrain overreach where they see it. You don't want them deciding health policy in a world where we already have conceded all of the salient constitutional points of a government mandated public insurance program.
Oh, I don't know. For one thing, I would guess geriatric health-care would be excellent.

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Post by Mo » 24 Oct 2017, 13:44

Because I figure dhex could use a laugh. I love how the writer assumes that the objection is due to the glorification of violence and criminality. Does he live in an alternate reality where conservatives hate country music?
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Post by Jennifer » 24 Oct 2017, 14:18

The economic troubles of the white working class are clearly caused by the messages in their music. How can a man who cheerfully sings along to "Take this job and shove it" be expected to impress his boss long enough to get a promotion and a raise? And the garbage their children listen to is even worse -- "I want to rock and roll all night and party every day?" I don't see any mention of buckling down, hitting the books and studying for your final exams there, do you?
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Post by Shem » 24 Oct 2017, 14:50

Can you believe they glorify a guy who shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die?
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Post by Mo » 24 Oct 2017, 14:57

What about the family values of a gentleman who has multiple exes in Texas?
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Post by Jennifer » 24 Oct 2017, 15:16

It's music for thugs. They don't even sing, really, just whine with a nasally twang over drums and banjos. And don't even get me started on the misogynistic messages in country-western so-called "songs." If ever you need a primer on the thuggish dysfunctionality of white culture, a basic perusal of country lyrics will provide it.
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Post by Jennifer » 24 Oct 2017, 15:25

Jennifer wrote:
24 Oct 2017, 15:16
If ever you need a primer on the thuggish dysfunctionality of white culture, a basic perusal of country lyrics will provide it.
Make that "white lower-class culture." Because it's not about race, see; it's about the benefits of education, hard work and a frugal lifestyle to pull oneself out of poverty and into comfortable middle-class prosperity, see. No culture can thrive unless it values these things, and these things are completely absent from country music. And that, rather than any systemic problems, explains the predicament of today's white working-class people. No wonder they voted for Trump.
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Post by thoreau » 24 Oct 2017, 15:55

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Post by dhex » 24 Oct 2017, 15:58

Mo wrote:
24 Oct 2017, 13:44
Because I figure dhex could use a laugh. I love how the writer assumes that the objection is due to the glorification of violence and criminality. Does he live in an alternate reality where conservatives hate country music?
That's a hell of a blind spot re country music. But not surprising.
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Post by Shem » 24 Oct 2017, 16:22

They deleted my comment to the guy talking about how rap is fine for white kids in the suburbs, but it's dangerous for kids in Compton. Apparently we're not supposed to ask what the kid in Appalachia takes from a song about a Reno-shooter.
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Post by Dangerman » 24 Oct 2017, 16:52

How can a man who cheerfully sings along to "Take this job and shove it" be expected to impress his boss long enough to get a promotion and a raise?
The expectation is that he desires to be self-employed, and that that is admirable.

You guys are like the sarkeesians of music.

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Post by Mo » 24 Oct 2017, 20:05

Uh, we're making fun of the original article and not at all serious. Also, there's no indication Johnny Paycheck was going to be a small business owner.
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Post by Warren » 24 Oct 2017, 20:53

Mo wrote:
24 Oct 2017, 20:05
Uh, we're making fun of the original article and not at all serious. Also, there's no indication Johnny Paycheck was going to be a small business owner.
Shhhh. It's funnier if we don't tell him.
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Post by Shem » 24 Oct 2017, 22:19

FWIW, I thought he was also making a joke.
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Post by Mo » 24 Oct 2017, 22:23

If he was, "You guys are like the sarkeesians of music," threw me off. The first sentence totally sounds like what someone would have responded to you with if they didn't delete your comment.
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Post by dhex » 25 Oct 2017, 07:50

i was insulted because i thought he was saying i was a quotidian surface commentator.
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Post by Dangerman » 25 Oct 2017, 08:53

If the shoe fits. I mean "Haha conservatives only criticize rap music because black people" ignores the entirety of 1980's moral panics over Twisted Sister, Ozzy, et al.

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Post by Shem » 25 Oct 2017, 10:08

Dangerman wrote:
25 Oct 2017, 08:53
If the shoe fits. I mean "Haha conservatives only criticize rap music because black people" ignores the entirety of 1980's moral panics over Twisted Sister, Ozzy, et al.
Do you have any examples that aren't from 30 years ago?
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Post by dhex » 25 Oct 2017, 10:10

The pathology of an entire race and their position in America wasn't being pegged on hair metal. Just fake Satan stuff.
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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 25 Oct 2017, 10:12

Shem wrote:
25 Oct 2017, 10:08
Dangerman wrote:
25 Oct 2017, 08:53
If the shoe fits. I mean "Haha conservatives only criticize rap music because black people" ignores the entirety of 1980's moral panics over Twisted Sister, Ozzy, et al.
Do you have any examples that aren't from 30 years ago?
Also, if you'll recall the PMRC was headed by Tipper Gore.
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Post by JasonL » 25 Oct 2017, 10:25

I do kinda think holding up Johnny Paycheck and Public Enemy as comparable under the framework of conservatism is a bit not so compelling though, setting race entirely aside.

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Post by Dangerman » 25 Oct 2017, 10:38

Shem wrote:
25 Oct 2017, 10:08
Dangerman wrote:
25 Oct 2017, 08:53
If the shoe fits. I mean "Haha conservatives only criticize rap music because black people" ignores the entirety of 1980's moral panics over Twisted Sister, Ozzy, et al.
Do you have any examples that aren't from 30 years ago?
The article uses Public Enemy as an example, I think mine are comparable.

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Post by Jake » 25 Oct 2017, 11:15

Shem wrote:
25 Oct 2017, 10:08
Do you have any examples that aren't from 30 years ago?
There comes a point in every person's life, Shem, when everything one knows about youth culture will be from 30 years in the past. It's happened to me; it'll happen to you. Whippersnapper. ;)
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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 25 Oct 2017, 11:24

JasonL wrote:
25 Oct 2017, 10:25
I do kinda think holding up Johnny Paycheck and Public Enemy as comparable under the framework of conservatism is a bit not so compelling though, setting race entirely aside.
Yes, Public Enemy had a point.
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