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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 27 Jul 2018, 16:40
by Jennifer
Aresen wrote:
27 Jul 2018, 16:36
Jennifer wrote:
27 Jul 2018, 13:27
dhex wrote:
27 Jul 2018, 10:47
How are the brit press covering trump? I'm hoping for snide dickery.
There's this one issue of the Economist I've saved for the cover art: remember that Miley Cyrus "Wrecking ball" thing from a few years ago? It's that, only with Cyrus replaced by a cartoon caricature of Trump. (The "wrecking ball" on the cover is smashing various longstanding US alliances, IIRC.)
I think this is the one you mean.
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Yep, that's it! Heh, I didn't even remember the ball actually being the Earth. (That issue is currently stashed away in the same box as holds the issue with the infamous "This book about American slavery is propaganda rather than history, because the author obviously has the preconceived notion that slavery was bad" book review.)

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 04 Aug 2018, 18:11
by thoreau
So, remember how the Trump campaign pushed hard for changes in platform language on Ukraine in 2016? A lot of that was the work of a guy named J.D. Gordon, who has said different things at different times about whether Trump wanted it.

https://www.npr.org/2017/12/04/56831079 ... ne-support

Interestingly, J.D. Gordon took Maria Butina to a Styx concert in 2016.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics ... story.html

I'm sure that this is the only revelation we'll get concerning Gordon and Russian spies. There's no way that Gordon will be shown to have had additional contacts with Russian agents.

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 04 Aug 2018, 18:26
by Jennifer
Searching for meaning in obviously meaningless coincidences? Careful you don't come down with Trump Derangement Syndrome there, Thoreau.

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 04 Aug 2018, 18:55
by thoreau
They look so obviously guilty that they must be innocent. Guilty people would collude with Russia but not be seen in public doing it. Only innocent men would hang out with Russian honey traps.

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 04 Aug 2018, 20:44
by Pham Nuwen
Honeydicked. I believe the new terminology is "honeydicked".

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 05 Aug 2018, 14:09
by thoreau
Trump just tweeted out a confession:


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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 05 Aug 2018, 19:39
by dhex
This is why making an underwear gnome president was a bad idea.

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 07 Aug 2018, 12:00
by thoreau
Check out the translation of this 2016 tweet.


Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 07 Aug 2018, 12:04
by nicole
dhex wrote:
05 Aug 2018, 19:39
This is why making an underwear gnome president was a bad idea.
What? We made Cartman president, not one of the gnomes.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 07 Aug 2018, 15:59
by dhex
nah, cartman can carry out short and mid-term plans sometimes.

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 14 Sep 2018, 11:34
by thoreau
Manafort is pleading guilty to witness tampering and conspiracy. The plea document includes extensive details about his lobbying for Ukrainian politicians aligned with Russia.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/ ... eal-823882

When a lobbyist for a pro-Moscow politician shows up to work on the campaign of a guy who's helped Russians launder money, that isn't a coincidence.

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 14 Sep 2018, 12:25
by Painboy
thoreau wrote:
14 Sep 2018, 11:34
Manafort is pleading guilty to witness tampering and conspiracy. The plea document includes extensive details about his lobbying for Ukrainian politicians aligned with Russia.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/ ... eal-823882

When a lobbyist for a pro-Moscow politician shows up to work on the campaign of a guy who's helped Russians launder money, that isn't a coincidence.
Well they better get something good out of him because so far the case has been pretty underwhelming.

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 14 Sep 2018, 12:28
by Aresen
dhex wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 15:59
nah, cartman can carry out short and mid-term plans sometimes.
Really, I want Kenny for President.

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 14 Sep 2018, 12:56
by Shem
Painboy wrote:
14 Sep 2018, 12:25
thoreau wrote:
14 Sep 2018, 11:34
Manafort is pleading guilty to witness tampering and conspiracy. The plea document includes extensive details about his lobbying for Ukrainian politicians aligned with Russia.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/ ... eal-823882

When a lobbyist for a pro-Moscow politician shows up to work on the campaign of a guy who's helped Russians launder money, that isn't a coincidence.
Well they better get something good out of him because so far the case has been pretty underwhelming.
So underwhelming that in the trial we just had, he got nailed on 8 charges and had the jury split 11-1 against him on the other 10?

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 14 Sep 2018, 13:10
by Kolohe
Aresen wrote:
14 Sep 2018, 12:28
dhex wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 15:59
nah, cartman can carry out short and mid-term plans sometimes.
Really, I want Kenny for President.
Well, then what matters more is who the Vice President is.

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 14 Sep 2018, 13:19
by Painboy
Shem wrote:
14 Sep 2018, 12:56
Painboy wrote:
14 Sep 2018, 12:25
thoreau wrote:
14 Sep 2018, 11:34
Manafort is pleading guilty to witness tampering and conspiracy. The plea document includes extensive details about his lobbying for Ukrainian politicians aligned with Russia.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/09/ ... eal-823882

When a lobbyist for a pro-Moscow politician shows up to work on the campaign of a guy who's helped Russians launder money, that isn't a coincidence.
Well they better get something good out of him because so far the case has been pretty underwhelming.
So underwhelming that in the trial we just had, he got nailed on 8 charges and had the jury split 11-1 against him on the other 10?
This thing is supposed to be about determing whether Trump or others colluded with Russia in the last campaign right? Manafort getting cash from Russia isn't news to anyone. I mean it's great he's going to prison but it proves nothing other than Trump hangs out with sleazy people. Again something everyone already knows.

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 14 Sep 2018, 13:37
by thoreau
Well, he's going to be cooperating with Mueller.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/na ... e81aba86d8

Look, I'm sure that Trump is completely innocent and it is all a mere coincidence that he has lots of wealthy Russian real estate clients, that a lobbyist for Victor Yanukovich managed his campaign, that Felix Sater worked for Trump and helped deliver policy proposals from pro-Moscow politicians in Ukraine, that the GRU hacked the DNC, and that when a Russian government representative showed up offering dirt his son said "Great! Let's meet!" rather than "Let's call the FBI." I'm sure that this is all a coincidence, and that Manafort is only cooperating to help Mueller get some small fish who helped him cheat on taxes.

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 14 Sep 2018, 15:38
by lunchstealer
Kolohe wrote:
14 Sep 2018, 13:10
Aresen wrote:
14 Sep 2018, 12:28
dhex wrote:
07 Aug 2018, 15:59
nah, cartman can carry out short and mid-term plans sometimes.
Really, I want Kenny for President.
Well, then what matters more is who the Vice President is.
But only for the rest of the episode.

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 19 Oct 2018, 15:57
by Mo
Wtf. Now I like Putin.


Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 19 Oct 2018, 16:09
by thoreau
Some people deserve their Novichok.

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 19 Oct 2018, 20:54
by dhex
No one's yelling worldstar.

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 19 Oct 2018, 21:20
by Eric the .5b
dhex wrote:
19 Oct 2018, 20:54
No one's yelling worldstar.
I suppose if he's a high-functioning APD sort who never got into torturing animals, puppies are puppies and in the "things I care about" box, as opposed to "dissidents, opponents, and those who have failed me for the last time".

Or he realized this was an opportunity to look compassionate, despite the puppy probably being perfectly fine.

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 20 Oct 2018, 04:27
by lunchstealer
Eric the .5b wrote:
19 Oct 2018, 21:20
dhex wrote:
19 Oct 2018, 20:54
No one's yelling worldstar.
I suppose if he's a high-functioning APD sort who never got into torturing animals, puppies are puppies and in the "things I care about" box, as opposed to "dissidents, opponents, and those who have failed me for the last time".

Or he realized this was an opportunity to look compassionate, despite the puppy probably being perfectly fine.
Yeah I suspect that psychopaths have in-group/out-group associations and react to fucking with the in-group in a way that looks like outrage at cruelty when it's really outrage at disrespect to the ingroup.

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 20 Oct 2018, 19:23
by Shem
Eric the .5b wrote:
19 Oct 2018, 21:20
dhex wrote:
19 Oct 2018, 20:54
No one's yelling worldstar.
I suppose if he's a high-functioning APD sort who never got into torturing animals, puppies are puppies and in the "things I care about" box, as opposed to "dissidents, opponents, and those who have failed me for the last time".

Or he realized this was an opportunity to look compassionate, despite the puppy probably being perfectly fine.
Even a sociopath can recognize the virtue of owning something of absolute loyalty and unquestioning obedience.

Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Posted: 20 Oct 2018, 20:51
by Painboy
Don't puppies have that think loose skin on their back for that exact purpose? That's how the mother picks them up right?