Occam, Trump, and Russia

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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Post by thoreau » 27 Dec 2018, 13:41

Cohen's cell phone was in Prague during the time frame of the meeting alleged in the Steele dossier.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/invest ... 16820.html

I'm sure that the conversation was entirely about uncoordinated activities involving troll farms, and nothing more.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Post by thoreau » 28 Dec 2018, 01:59

Speculating on who might be in a nude selfie from the Mueller investigation is like trying to envision the form of the destructor:

https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing ... al-counsel

Best case scenario is probably Maria Butina.

Or Ivanka. Easier on the eyes but more scarring to the soul, given implications.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Post by thoreau » 29 Dec 2018, 12:05

Interesting stuff about Manafort's efforts to pay off debts to pro-Moscow businessmen while managing Trump's campaign.
In a series of emails sent that spring and summer, Manafort tried to offer “private briefings” about the presidential race to Deripaska, apparently, as one of the emails puts it, to “get whole.” Reports in The Atlantic and the Washington Post revealed those emails in the fall of 2017.
http://amp.timeinc.net/time/5490169/pau ... rkin-debts

But it was all just troll farms and any concern over it is just legalistic hair splitting by the thumb-tack-and-red-string crowd.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Post by thoreau » 06 Jan 2019, 15:17

It's Russian Christmas and federal employees have been sent home from work. Coincidence? I THINK NOT!!!!!
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Post by Hugh Akston » 07 Jan 2019, 02:47

If you can't trust a couple of former NATO bigwigs working for a think tank whose stated purpose is to promote US leadership in NATO, and receives large parts of its funding from NATO governments, oil companies, and defense contractors to provide a sober strategic analysis that just happens to conclude that the US needs a bigger military presence in Europe, at least you can count on the Military Times to cover such a document with the critical journalistic skepticism that it demands.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Post by Dangerman » 07 Jan 2019, 15:59

And, duh, we don't have tank divisions near the Fulda Gap anymore, and that's what it takes to not have your forward positions overrun. We're not going back there, and if the Euros are scared, they should look to their own budgets first.

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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Post by thoreau » 07 Jan 2019, 16:04

Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Russian forces really are well-positioned and strengthening.

That has jack shit to do with Trump. Trump didn't make that happen. Putin made that happen by spending Russian money wisely (which is why I'm skeptical that it's happening, but we're assuming it for the sake of argument).

A Russian build-up has jack shit to do with Trump being on the take.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Post by Eric the .5b » 07 Jan 2019, 18:18

thoreau wrote:
07 Jan 2019, 16:04
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Russian forces really are well-positioned and strengthening.

That has jack shit to do with Trump. Trump didn't make that happen. Putin made that happen by spending Russian money wisely (which is why I'm skeptical that it's happening, but we're assuming it for the sake of argument).

A Russian build-up has jack shit to do with Trump being on the take.
Remind me—is this sarcasm or straight?
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Post by thoreau » 07 Jan 2019, 22:35

Eric the .5b wrote:
07 Jan 2019, 18:18
thoreau wrote:
07 Jan 2019, 16:04
Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Russian forces really are well-positioned and strengthening.

That has jack shit to do with Trump. Trump didn't make that happen. Putin made that happen by spending Russian money wisely (which is why I'm skeptical that it's happening, but we're assuming it for the sake of argument).

A Russian build-up has jack shit to do with Trump being on the take.
Remind me—is this sarcasm or straight?
Straight. Trump doesn't have shit to do with Russian military budgets.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Post by Kolohe » 07 Jan 2019, 22:55

It's not hard to score a quick kill on US forces if you have complete strategic surprise. Everybody from Imperial Japan to Al Qaeda has been able to do that. The issue always is what happens next.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Post by Aresen » 07 Jan 2019, 23:29

Kolohe wrote:
07 Jan 2019, 22:55
It's not hard to score a quick kill on US forces if you have complete strategic surprise. Everybody from Imperial Japan to Al Qaeda has been able to do that. The issue always is what happens next.
Yes. The US invades a country in the Middle East.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia

Post by thoreau » 08 Jan 2019, 15:51

Russian intelligence's guy in Manafort's office was getting the Trump campaign's internal polling data, and running policy proposals by Manafort:
In one portion of the filing that Mr. Manafort’s lawyers tried to redact, they instead also revealed that Mr. Manafort “may have discussed a Ukraine peace plan” with the Russian associate, Konstantin V. Kilimnik, “on more than one occasion.”

Investigators have been questioning witnesses about whether Russia tried to influence the Trump administration to broker a resolution to hostilities between Russia and Ukraine. Various “peace plans” were proposed, including at least one that called for the lifting of American sanctions against Russia. Mr. Manafort and Mr. Kilimnik had worked closely together for years on behalf of Russia-aligned Ukrainian interests.

Prosecutors have also accused Mr. Manafort of misleading them about his contacts with senior administration officials, about a payment from a pro-Trump political action committee made to cover his legal expenses, and about how he and Mr. Kilimnik tried to influence the testimony of witnesses to ward off criminal charges.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/08/us/p ... imnik.html

Call me crazy, but I don't think that a US President should have a campaign manager who's working with a foreign intelligence service, and receiving policy proposals from them.
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