Occam, Trump, and Russia
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
Is Vanessa Trump next?
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
Tiffany Trump is a law student. Maybe she'll get a summer job on Mueller's team.Mo wrote:Is Vanessa Trump next?
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
Turns out that Donnie Jr. was meeting with lots of foreigners offering campaign assistance:
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/us/p ... zamel.html
So much for "It's going to be America First!"
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/19/us/p ... zamel.html
So much for "It's going to be America First!"
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
Imagine you're the FBI informant inside the Trump campaign. You realize your cover is blown, so you level with someone, hoping to salvage your mission: "OK, I admit it, I'm a government agent, and if you work with..."
Other guy cuts him off: "Hey, we're all government agents here. Which government are you with?"
Other guy cuts him off: "Hey, we're all government agents here. Which government are you with?"
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/13/tru ... an-obamas/
The headline is certainly debatable, and it doesn't prove there was no collusion, but if there was Vlad appears to have been screwed. You shouldn't try to con a con man I guess.
The headline is certainly debatable, and it doesn't prove there was no collusion, but if there was Vlad appears to have been screwed. You shouldn't try to con a con man I guess.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
Holy selective reasoning Batman. I like how expanding the Magnitsky Act is somehow more meaningful than passing the act. Also, while the military did kill Russian mercs, it was because those troops attacked a US installation. We did not go out of our way to attack them. The fact that there was no greater price than the troops that actually attacked Americans is a demerit. I have zero doubt that in the same situation, the military would have, at the very least, responded in kind under Obama.Painboy wrote:http://foreignpolicy.com/2018/04/13/tru ... an-obamas/
The headline is certainly debatable, and it doesn't prove there was no collusion, but if there was Vlad appears to have been screwed. You shouldn't try to con a con man I guess.
his voice is so soothing, but why do conspiracy nuts always sound like Batman and Robin solving one of Riddler's puzzles out loud? - fod
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
Especially when you only signed it under duress, and are actively avoiding enforcing it to the best of your ability.
The Russians wouldn't have done it under Obama, (or Bush [père or fils], or Clinton, or Reagan, or...) for exactly that reason. Giving him credit for it is like giving the guy who took the front door off its hinges and removed the lightbulbs from the front porch light credit for shooting the prowler who tried to come in to steal. "Trumptech might have enticed a burglar into our house, but they also eventually shot him. Thanks, Trumptech!"Also, while the military did kill Russian mercs, it was because those troops attacked a US installation. We did not go out of our way to attack them. The fact that there was no greater price than the troops that actually attacked Americans is a demerit. I have zero doubt that in the same situation, the military would have, at the very least, responded in kind under Obama.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
I dunno about better but the behavior is inconsistent with the “owned by the kremlin” narratives. You have to really stretch to make that fit.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
I concede that Russia may not have gotten a lot of value for their money.
The Gulf Arabs, otoh, may have done ok.
The Gulf Arabs, otoh, may have done ok.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
I thought a Qatari guy was in on the meetings, too. That being said, I'll never forget the sheer WTFness of being over there when all that happened. "He said what? Does he even know we're here? 'We' being a huge airbase that includes *insert various rather important things that I won't name because OPSEC*, and that we're kind of central to the air war across the AOR?.....Jesus, he doesn't know, does he?"
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
Not when you consider that he's actively avoiding the enforcement of a lot of Russia regulations, including the new sanctions he fought tooth and nail to keep from having to sign. Not that I'm sold on that narrative, but it could easily be a classic case of doing the small thing to forestall the large thing.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
Giggity.Shem wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 14:52Not when you consider that he's actively avoiding the enforcement of a lot of Russia regulations, including the new sanctions he fought tooth and nail to keep from having to sign. Not that I'm sold on that narrative, but it could easily be a classic case of doing the small thing to forestall the large thing.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
And he's really eased State Department stuff WRT human rights violations, which seems to be a big thing for Putin. Putin doesn't mind being seen going toe to toe with the US, even if he does actually take a couple of solid hits doing it. Because standing up to the superpower recalls the old days of Soviet relevance. So Trump can be tough on Russia as long as it's about stuff that makes Putin look good at home. What Putin doesn't want the US doing is calling him out for being a thug to Russians, and being antidemocratic. He's long since made it clear that the biggest threat to Russia is Western-style liberal democracy. Getting called out for being an asshole to homosexuals or for murdering journalists doesn't make him look strong. And that's where he's getting value from Trump.Shem wrote: ↑20 May 2018, 14:52Not when you consider that he's actively avoiding the enforcement of a lot of Russia regulations, including the new sanctions he fought tooth and nail to keep from having to sign. Not that I'm sold on that narrative, but it could easily be a classic case of doing the small thing to forestall the large thing.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
Is this just more Trumpian bloviating, or the start of another bad thing the Republicans are going to enable?
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
Possibly in the wrong thread but this was very, very, VERY well done.
https://www.theonion.com/the-onion-has- ... 1826197533
https://www.theonion.com/the-onion-has- ... 1826197533
Goddamn libertarian message board. Hugh Akston
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
"They were basically like D&D min maxers, but instead of pissing off their DM, they destroyed the global economy. Also, instead of their DM making a level 7 paladin fight a beholder as punishment, he got a +3 sword of turning."
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
What’s bonkers is that letter is real.Pham Nuwen wrote:Possibly in the wrong thread but this was very, very, VERY well done.
https://www.theonion.com/the-onion-has- ... 1826197533
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
I think this comes under "News that WAS in the Onion."Mo wrote: ↑22 May 2018, 14:43What’s bonkers is that letter is real.Pham Nuwen wrote:Possibly in the wrong thread but this was very, very, VERY well done.
https://www.theonion.com/the-onion-has- ... 1826197533
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
This complicates the, "But Trump sent weapons to Ukraine," talking point.
Donald Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, received a secret payment of at least $400,000 (£300,000) to fix talks between the Ukrainian president and President Trump, according to sources in Kiev close to those involved.
...
The meeting at the White House was last June. Shortly after the Ukrainian president returned home, his country's anti-corruption agency stopped its investigation into Trump's former campaign manager, Paul Manafort.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
Cohen met with a Russian oligarch during the transition.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/25/us/p ... tower.html
Avenatti is either a conduit for leaks or he's the luckiest SOB ever.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/25/us/p ... tower.html
Avenatti is either a conduit for leaks or he's the luckiest SOB ever.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
Can't it be both?
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
Russians sure like the NRA:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/f ... mp-w518587
Decades ago, Russians worked to infiltrate and manipulate left-wing organizations. If you'd told me in the 80's and 90's that Russians would successfully cozy up to a large right-wing US political organization I would have laughed hysterically.
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/f ... mp-w518587
Decades ago, Russians worked to infiltrate and manipulate left-wing organizations. If you'd told me in the 80's and 90's that Russians would successfully cozy up to a large right-wing US political organization I would have laughed hysterically.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
The Soviet Union was full of bullshit, but it had an actual ideology. The right wing abroad is a tool for the Russians, nothing else.thoreau wrote: ↑04 Jun 2018, 23:57Russians sure like the NRA:
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/f ... mp-w518587
Decades ago, Russians worked to infiltrate and manipulate left-wing organizations. If you'd told me in the 80's and 90's that Russians would successfully cozy up to a large right-wing US political organization I would have laughed hysterically.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
Putin wants to dominate their frontiers and have a little mini empire back for Russia. A jingoistic America that has no problem with might-makes-right makes that easier. Neoconservatism was a bit too make-the-world-safe-for-Democracy, so he needed to take it to more of a great-powers thing. The current NRA with its shut up and rah America drink beer and let the cops kick somebody's ass if they want is pretty much exactly what he needs for that.
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Re: Occam, Trump, and Russia
I get why Putin does what he does, and that there are differences between Russian cultivation of US lefties in the Cold War and Russian cultivation of US conservatives now.
Still, it is impressive how good the Russians can be at finding useful idiots in America. We seem to be rich in idiots for the picking.
Still, it is impressive how good the Russians can be at finding useful idiots in America. We seem to be rich in idiots for the picking.
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