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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Shem » 13 Nov 2019, 21:50

nicole wrote:
13 Nov 2019, 17:39
Short story: "The Feminist"

I thought it was pretty good until the picnic; the rest felt weaker and cliche to me.
It's interesting that mass shooting ending actually feels less transgressive than having him die in ignominy would have been. As it was, it copped out and turned power fantasy at the end.
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Andrew » 13 Nov 2019, 21:51

nicole wrote:
13 Nov 2019, 17:39
Short story: "The Feminist"

I thought it was pretty good until the picnic; the rest felt weaker and cliche to me.
The picnic was too much. But making every character unlikable and wrapping everything in several layers of irony did a good job of making me not feel preached at.
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Warren » 13 Nov 2019, 22:36

Shem wrote:
13 Nov 2019, 21:50
nicole wrote:
13 Nov 2019, 17:39
Short story: "The Feminist"

I thought it was pretty good until the picnic; the rest felt weaker and cliche to me.
It's interesting that mass shooting ending actually feels less transgressive than having him die in ignominy would have been. As it was, it copped out and turned power fantasy at the end.
Oh man, I didn't even bother to put that together.
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Jennifer » 01 Dec 2019, 15:54

A college student in Chicago ignored a man who was catcalling her. So he raped her and strangled her to death.

https://www.insider.com/chicago-student ... es-2019-11

(I have been assured that women who object to catcalling are all snobby bitches. If this is true, then I guess we can all take comfort in knowing the dead 19-year-old kinda deserved it, huh?)
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Painboy » 01 Dec 2019, 17:01

Jennifer wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 15:54
A college student in Chicago ignored a man who was catcalling her. So he raped her and strangled her to death.

https://www.insider.com/chicago-student ... es-2019-11

(I have been assured that women who object to catcalling are all snobby bitches. If this is true, then I guess we can all take comfort in knowing the dead 19-year-old kinda deserved it, huh?)
I don't think cat calling was the main problem there.

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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Warren » 01 Dec 2019, 17:10

Painboy wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 17:01
Jennifer wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 15:54
A college student in Chicago ignored a man who was catcalling her. So he raped her and strangled her to death.

https://www.insider.com/chicago-student ... es-2019-11

(I have been assured that women who object to catcalling are all snobby bitches. If this is true, then I guess we can all take comfort in knowing the dead 19-year-old kinda deserved it, huh?)
I don't think cat calling was the main problem there.
That's not the point.
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Jennifer » 01 Dec 2019, 20:31

Painboy wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 17:01
Jennifer wrote:
01 Dec 2019, 15:54
A college student in Chicago ignored a man who was catcalling her. So he raped her and strangled her to death.

https://www.insider.com/chicago-student ... es-2019-11

(I have been assured that women who object to catcalling are all snobby bitches. If this is true, then I guess we can all take comfort in knowing the dead 19-year-old kinda deserved it, huh?)
I don't think cat calling was the main problem there.
I fully agree; rape and murder are the main problems here. But given how many full-grown post-college men I've known who've seriously told me that only snobby-bitch-type women take issue with being catcalled ... well, I doubt even they'd be psychopathic enough to say "A woman who blows off a catcaller deserves to be raped and murdered," but they do believe such a woman deserves to be called a snobby bitch who only took offense because thinks she's out of the catcaller's "league." And they've informed me of this, many a time.
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by nicole » 09 Dec 2019, 08:40

How are we not talking about the ongoing anti-porn crusade on here yet? See Matt Walsh’s timeline if you don’t know what I’m talking about. I was hoping it would be over by now but it’s just taking over more of my TL.
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Mo » 09 Dec 2019, 09:17

David French is going full, "porn is not protected by 1A" on it.
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

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Remember, remember

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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Jennifer » 09 Dec 2019, 09:41

nicole wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 08:40
How are we not talking about the ongoing anti-porn crusade on here yet? See Matt Walsh’s timeline if you don’t know what I’m talking about. I was hoping it would be over by now but it’s just taking over more of my TL.
I saw a little about it this weekend, though when double-checking his feed just now, I saw his anti-porn stuff interspersed with LOTS of anti-abortion shit. He really, REALLY hates non-procreative sexuality, no?
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Jennifer » 09 Dec 2019, 09:46

OFFS, I just checked the actual non-Twitter article he wrote on "5 reasons why porn should be outlawed," one of them is "Porn makes you less free: There is nothing freeing about porn. A “free society” is not one that must, or should, feature easily accessed pornography. Porn kills freedom because it enslaves the viewer to his passions. I understand that very silly people, who are not in the habit of thinking, will snicker at the previous sentence. But they only snicker because they are slaves themselves. They are so consumed by pornography, so beholden to it, that they are not capable of intellectually engaging with any criticism of it. They are obsessed with porn, and they will viciously defend it, yet they derive no joy from it and they hate themselves while they watch it. They are slaves. And slaves cannot be free."

People in prison for looking at sexy pictures cannot be free either, I'm thinking.
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Hugh Akston » 09 Dec 2019, 11:09

Crusading against porn definitely signals a return to intellectually serious conservatism
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Warren » 09 Dec 2019, 11:16

Hugh Akston wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 11:09
Crusading against porn definitely signals a return to intellectually serious conservatism
You may be on to something there. When Ed Meese was running around off the leash, we had the likes of James Baker and Casper Weinberger taking care of business.
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by nicole » 09 Dec 2019, 11:18

Jennifer wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 09:46
OFFS, I just checked the actual non-Twitter article he wrote on "5 reasons why porn should be outlawed," one of them is "Porn makes you less free: There is nothing freeing about porn. A “free society” is not one that must, or should, feature easily accessed pornography. Porn kills freedom because it enslaves the viewer to his passions. I understand that very silly people, who are not in the habit of thinking, will snicker at the previous sentence. But they only snicker because they are slaves themselves. They are so consumed by pornography, so beholden to it, that they are not capable of intellectually engaging with any criticism of it. They are obsessed with porn, and they will viciously defend it, yet they derive no joy from it and they hate themselves while they watch it. They are slaves. And slaves cannot be free."

Tbh this is also how I feel about Christianity
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Jennifer wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 09:46
People in prison for looking at sexy pictures cannot be free either, I'm thinking.
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Jennifer » 09 Dec 2019, 11:30

nicole wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 11:18
Jennifer wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 09:46
OFFS, I just checked the actual non-Twitter article he wrote on "5 reasons why porn should be outlawed," one of them is "Porn makes you less free: There is nothing freeing about porn. A “free society” is not one that must, or should, feature easily accessed pornography. Porn kills freedom because it enslaves the viewer to his passions. I understand that very silly people, who are not in the habit of thinking, will snicker at the previous sentence. But they only snicker because they are slaves themselves. They are so consumed by pornography, so beholden to it, that they are not capable of intellectually engaging with any criticism of it. They are obsessed with porn, and they will viciously defend it, yet they derive no joy from it and they hate themselves while they watch it. They are slaves. And slaves cannot be free."

Tbh this is also how I feel about Christianity
In all seriousness, you could use this exact logic to rail against a lot of things Walsh presumably approves of, including monogamous marriage, which kills freedom because it enslaves the spouse to ONE AND ONLY ONE person out of billions available. I understand that very silly people, who are not in the habit of thinking, will snicker at the previous sentence. But they only snicker because they are slaves themselves. They are so consumed by marriage, so beholden to it, that they are not capable of intellectually engaging with any criticism of it. They are obsessed with marriage, and they will viciously defend it, yet they derive no joy from it and they hate themselves while they bear it. They are slaves. And slaves cannot be free.
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Hugh Akston » 09 Dec 2019, 11:32

It's the classic false consciousness argument.
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Warren » 09 Dec 2019, 11:45

nicole wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 11:18
Jennifer wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 09:46
OFFS, I just checked the actual non-Twitter article he wrote on "5 reasons why porn should be outlawed," one of them is "Porn makes you less free: There is nothing freeing about porn. A “free society” is not one that must, or should, feature easily accessed pornography. Porn kills freedom because it enslaves the viewer to his passions. I understand that very silly people, who are not in the habit of thinking, will snicker at the previous sentence. But they only snicker because they are slaves themselves. They are so consumed by pornography, so beholden to it, that they are not capable of intellectually engaging with any criticism of it. They are obsessed with porn, and they will viciously defend it, yet they derive no joy from it and they hate themselves while they watch it. They are slaves. And slaves cannot be free."

Tbh this is also how I feel about Christianity
I'd expand that to any and all religions. But as with all things, it's a matter of moderation. How much of your time and habits are you devoting to this thing? If you spend the majority of your waking hours thinking/engaging in it, if the way your dress is in service of it, if it is the unifying factor of your social circle, I think you've got a problem, and may even represent a danger to yourself and/or others. A lot of people think you can make an exception to the above in regards to their careers. I think they're wrong.
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Jennifer » 09 Dec 2019, 11:50

Warren wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 11:45
nicole wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 11:18
Jennifer wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 09:46
OFFS, I just checked the actual non-Twitter article he wrote on "5 reasons why porn should be outlawed," one of them is "Porn makes you less free: There is nothing freeing about porn. A “free society” is not one that must, or should, feature easily accessed pornography. Porn kills freedom because it enslaves the viewer to his passions. I understand that very silly people, who are not in the habit of thinking, will snicker at the previous sentence. But they only snicker because they are slaves themselves. They are so consumed by pornography, so beholden to it, that they are not capable of intellectually engaging with any criticism of it. They are obsessed with porn, and they will viciously defend it, yet they derive no joy from it and they hate themselves while they watch it. They are slaves. And slaves cannot be free."

Tbh this is also how I feel about Christianity
I'd expand that to any and all religions. But as with all things, it's a matter of moderation. How much of your time and habits are you devoting to this thing? If you spend the majority of your waking hours thinking/engaging in it, if the way your dress is in service of it, if it is the unifying factor of your social circle, I think you've got a problem, and may even represent a danger to yourself and/or others. A lot of people think you can make an exception to the above in regards to their careers. I think they're wrong.
And video games, and any form of fandom, and any other conceivable hobby or means of passing the time ....
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Warren » 09 Dec 2019, 12:00

Jennifer wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 11:50
Warren wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 11:45
nicole wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 11:18
Jennifer wrote:
09 Dec 2019, 09:46
OFFS, I just checked the actual non-Twitter article he wrote on "5 reasons why porn should be outlawed," one of them is "Porn makes you less free: There is nothing freeing about porn. A “free society” is not one that must, or should, feature easily accessed pornography. Porn kills freedom because it enslaves the viewer to his passions. I understand that very silly people, who are not in the habit of thinking, will snicker at the previous sentence. But they only snicker because they are slaves themselves. They are so consumed by pornography, so beholden to it, that they are not capable of intellectually engaging with any criticism of it. They are obsessed with porn, and they will viciously defend it, yet they derive no joy from it and they hate themselves while they watch it. They are slaves. And slaves cannot be free."

Tbh this is also how I feel about Christianity
I'd expand that to any and all religions. But as with all things, it's a matter of moderation. How much of your time and habits are you devoting to this thing? If you spend the majority of your waking hours thinking/engaging in it, if the way your dress is in service of it, if it is the unifying factor of your social circle, I think you've got a problem, and may even represent a danger to yourself and/or others. A lot of people think you can make an exception to the above in regards to their careers. I think they're wrong.
And video games, and any form of fandom, and any other conceivable hobby or means of passing the time ....
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Post by Aresen » 09 Dec 2019, 15:10

Poor little me. Enslaved to that 'like' button.
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by lunchstealer » 09 Dec 2019, 23:43

Agency is for people exactly like me. Everyone else is enslaved and can't think. Let me just bask in how much better that makes me....
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Re: Masculinity, so fragile

Post by Jennifer » 10 Dec 2019, 01:46

For what it's worth, Gab, the twitter-clone for the alt-right, agrees with Walsh: porn is bad and ought to be outlawed. (Nazis are cool, though.)
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