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Re: PS 411

Post by dhex » 22 Mar 2019, 11:28

and that's that same fucking alice training bullshit they've been doing in MD. I hate that shit. i keep bending ears about it and getting shrugs or offhand "well can't be too careful" thing which i mean of course you can you ding dongs.
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Re: PS 411

Post by Dangerman » 23 Mar 2019, 12:57

"You can't be too careful!"

ok fucker I need you to have a 12-digit password with special chars and numbers, and we're changing it weekly. And we need two-factor auth tokens to start your car and enter your home for any reason.

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Re: PS 411

Post by Hugh Akston » 31 Mar 2019, 22:34

California's war on truancy, or Kamala Harris is a fucking scumbag part LXXXVII
A few years later, she persuaded the state legislature to adopt harsher penalties for truancy. Under the new law, the parent or guardian of a young, truant child could face a fine of $2,500 or more — or one year in jail. Harris pushed hard for the law as she was running for attorney general, and it passed just as she won the election.

“We are putting parents on notice,” Harris said at her 2011 inauguration. “If you fail in your responsibility to your kids, we are going to work to make sure you face the full force and consequences of the law.”

Orange County heeded her call with particular enthusiasm. On the morning Peoples was arrested, police arrested five other parents — including several in front of waiting news crews — as part of what one assistant district attorney painted as an effort to prevent children from “being criminals or joining a gang.” The district attorney described Peoples’ conduct in unsparing terms, telling local news outlets she had ignored the school’s numerous requests for meetings and multiple warnings that Shayla was truant.
Preventing kids from becoming criminals by criminalizing their parents. Seems legit.
Yet the penalties she once championed for truancy and the way she originally thought about the issue are foundational to how California handles truancy today. Peoples’ arrest wasn’t a freak occurrence ― it was the inevitable outcome of Harris’ campaign to fuse the problem of truancy with the apparatus of law enforcement. And Peoples is far from an outlier. There are still hundreds of families across California entering the criminal justice system under the aegis of Harris’ law.
As district attorney, she had her office send letters to every household with a child in public school explaining that truancy was a crime — and one she was prepared to prosecute. Most schools already had a policy of calling or meeting with parents whose children missed too much class, and school officials began referencing her threats in their phone calls. Harris assigned county prosecutors to attend those meetings and “look as stern as they could,” she wrote.
In fact, for all its investment in addressing chronic absenteeism, California isn’t sure if class attendance has gone up or down over the past decade. The state can’t make a clean comparison because it has changed the way it collects data several times, Kopperud said.

But no one really doubts that Harris had a meaningful impact.
Especially the people who were arrested and spent years in court as a result of Harris' spotlight sniffing.
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Re: PS 411

Post by nicole » 21 Apr 2019, 09:22

Thank god we imprison children in these places of learning

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Re: PS 411

Post by lunchstealer » 21 Apr 2019, 16:58

Wait, that's Saratoga as in New York, not Sarasota as in Florida? This has Florida Man written all over it.

Also jesus christ if we're going to have concentration camps couldn't they be for 4chan instead of Central American children? (just to clarify for the NSA et al, this is not a serious thing and no you can't set up concentration camps for people being assholes on the interwebs)
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Re: PS 411

Post by Warren » 21 Apr 2019, 19:20

No, nicole's right.
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Re: PS 411

Post by lunchstealer » 22 Apr 2019, 04:08

Warren wrote:
21 Apr 2019, 19:20
No, nicole's right.
The problem isn't 4chan. The problem is government run education.
Well yes but also 4chan is pretty delenda as well.
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Re: PS 411

Post by Warren » 22 Apr 2019, 09:37

lunchstealer wrote:
22 Apr 2019, 04:08
Warren wrote:
21 Apr 2019, 19:20
No, nicole's right.
The problem isn't 4chan. The problem is government run education.
Well yes but also 4chan is pretty delenda as well.
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Re: PS 411

Post by nicole » 22 Apr 2019, 10:24

How are 4chan not the good guys in this story
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Re: PS 411

Post by lunchstealer » 22 Apr 2019, 14:09

nicole wrote:
22 Apr 2019, 10:24
How are 4chan not the good guys in this story
they sort of are, but at the same time I have a rule that what you say trolling should be treated as what you believe, because way too many guys who claim to be posting racist stuff to troll the libs actually end up buying their own agitprop.

So my basic takeaway is that 4chan are never the good guys. They often aren't the only bad guys, and occasionally they're the morally neutral guys, but they're not the good guys.
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Post by thoreau » 22 Apr 2019, 14:23

4chan isn't really worth defending here, but SJ parodies are hardly exclusive to 4chan. There are plenty of parodies out there, and it's pretty damning that a teacher fell for one of them and thought it would be a good thing to use in class.
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Post by JD » 22 Apr 2019, 14:50

If this story is true, the most amusing part to me is that a teacher read a quiz that included "Europe - shit" as a category and still decided to use it. (Or didn't read carefully enough to notice it said that - it's funny either way.)
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Re: PS 411

Post by Jasper » 23 Apr 2019, 14:20

"If you can't add, -30" was the best bit.
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Re: PS 411

Post by Mo » 24 Apr 2019, 12:52

lunchstealer wrote:
22 Apr 2019, 14:09
nicole wrote:
22 Apr 2019, 10:24
How are 4chan not the good guys in this story
they sort of are, but at the same time I have a rule that what you say trolling should be treated as what you believe, because way too many guys who claim to be posting racist stuff to troll the libs actually end up buying their own agitprop.

So my basic takeaway is that 4chan are never the good guys. They often aren't the only bad guys, and occasionally they're the morally neutral guys, but they're not the good guys.
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Re: PS 411

Post by nicole » 17 Sep 2019, 12:22

I've been following this issue with extreme interest, largely via Matt's Twitter feed, and this article is really great and includes a lot of stuff I hadn't seen before and I honestly can't believe the way the education department people are treating the parents at public meetings https://reason.com/2019/09/17/is-everyo ... yn-racist/

I mean, I can believe a lot of things about people who work in the school system and I already thought Richard Carranza was pure evil, but some of this this surprised even me
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Re: PS 411

Post by Hugh Akston » 17 Sep 2019, 12:53

Every so often I'm reminded why Welch is one of my favorite Reason writers.
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Re: PS 411

Post by JD » 17 Sep 2019, 13:09

nicole wrote:
17 Sep 2019, 12:22
I've been following this issue with extreme interest, largely via Matt's Twitter feed, and this article is really great and includes a lot of stuff I hadn't seen before and I honestly can't believe the way the education department people are treating the parents at public meetings https://reason.com/2019/09/17/is-everyo ... yn-racist/

I mean, I can believe a lot of things about people who work in the school system and I already thought Richard Carranza was pure evil, but some of this this surprised even me
I was just going to post about the same article! Little has ever made me so glad I don't have kids (or any plans to have kids). If somehow I were ever going to have kids, I would immediately move out of the city, as great as it is in many ways, because there's no way I'd subject them to the NYC public schools bureaucracy, and probably no way I could afford to send them to private school. FWIW, despite how Carranza tries to spin it, I know a very lefty public school teacher and even HE is against Carranza's plans.
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Post by thoreau » 17 Sep 2019, 13:29

I appreciated this little gem of writing:
"Having to talk about someone's own whiteness is a requirement for them to become liberated."

Not every participant experienced the joys of liberation.
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Post by JasonL » 17 Sep 2019, 13:48

Great article. The degree to which this is only an assault on other liberals is something I don’t think liberal people will notice until trump wins again. Even then they can blame let’s say the Chinese.

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Post by Jennifer » 17 Sep 2019, 15:11

On the bright side, if they fuck up the New York City schools badly enough, perhaps property values in the city will drop to the point where middle-class people can afford to live there again (provided said people don't have school-age kids to worry about, of course).
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Post by Hugh Akston » 19 Sep 2019, 17:55

Schools designed to defend against active shooters are being driven by (shocker) the security-industrial complex.
In Charleston, South Carolina, for example, Tony Deering, a local manufacturer of bomb-resistant vehicle armor, has a new venture in bulletproof doors, incorporating “the experience we gleaned from protecting the war fighter.” Deering has offered the doors free to three district schools, which will begin installing them this year, and he hopes Charleston’s schools will be the first of many clients.
One place where the military-educational complex is winning: a particular piece of panic hardware called a “barricade device,” which is supposed to prevent anyone from entering or exiting a classroom during a lockdown. The National Association of State Fire Marshals argues that it should always be easy for anyone to exit a room—and for authorized officials to enter a locked room. But several states have bucked that advice and changed the law to permit barricades in school settings. Those might include steel bars that secure the door to the door frame or into the floor.

In Arkansas, for example, the Legislature changed the fire code, overruling the fire marshal. Arkansas state Sen. Jason Rapert was subsequently appointed CEO of Arkansas-based ULockIt, which has sold barricades to dozens of schools in the state. (He had recused himself from the vote because he had investments in the firm.)
Virtually nothing is known about the utility or consequence of architectural modifications. What are the long-term effects of spending your youth in a classroom with red tape on the floor telling you where to stand when someone opens fire? No one knows. In a 2016 study, researchers from Johns Hopkins University wrote there was “limited and conflicting evidence in the literature on the short- and long-term effectiveness of school safety technology.”
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Re: PS 411

Post by nicole » 19 Sep 2019, 18:04

Lol we don’t even understand the effects of school let alone “school safety technology”
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Post by JD » 19 Sep 2019, 23:15

And (as always) children of school age are more likely to die of cancer or accidents than from homicide, but nobody is talking about the "cancer crisis".
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Re: PS 411

Post by Eric the .5b » 20 Sep 2019, 07:30

JD wrote:
19 Sep 2019, 23:15
And (as always) children of school age are more likely to die of cancer or accidents than from homicide, but nobody is talking about the "cancer crisis".
Depends on age group, but yeah.

But then, if anyone pointed out that accidents kill far more kids than murder, parents would probably never let them out the door.
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Re: PS 411

Post by Aresen » 10 Oct 2019, 12:02

Not directly, but indirectly:

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