If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by lunchstealer » 19 Jun 2019, 00:20

Eric the .5b wrote:
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Maybe say something of your own instead of editing my posts.
I didn't see who I was quoting. It was not my intent to mock or slight.
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Post by Aresen » 19 Jun 2019, 15:55

IIRC, the first 'concentration camps' to be called that were created by the British to 'concentrate' the Boers during the Boer War. They were more aimed at depriving the Boers of civilian support than extermination, although I believe the death rate was appalling.
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Hugh Akston » 19 Jun 2019, 16:01

Manzanar was a concentration camp.
Auschwitz was a death camp.
Not sure whether Trump's border facilities qualify for either of those terms.
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by lunchstealer » 19 Jun 2019, 16:36

Aresen wrote:
19 Jun 2019, 15:55
IIRC, the first 'concentration camps' to be called that were created by the British to 'concentrate' the Boers during the Boer War. They were more aimed at depriving the Boers of civilian support than extermination, although I believe the death rate was appalling.
That was the first widespread use of the term but it was coined for camps on Cuba during the Ten Years War.
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Post by thoreau » 19 Jun 2019, 16:52

Remember 2004, when everyone was arguing over whether Bush had actually described Iraqi WMD as an "imminent" threat? And everyone went around looking to see if that word had ever been uttered? When a search of transcripts failed to turn up the word "imminent", everyone concluded that Bush had not lied and it didn't matter that he had done everything in his power to persuade the public that there was intelligence showing that Iraqi WMD constituted some sort of threat that we needed to take very seriously and act upon at once.

Right now everyone is arguing over the best word to describe the crowded, dirty camps where large numbers of migrants are held in processes that could drag on forever, at the behest of a cruel old racist. Once we establish that the word "concentration" should not be placed before "camp", everyone will conclude that this is all perfectly fine.
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Post by Aresen » 19 Jun 2019, 17:05

thoreau wrote:
19 Jun 2019, 16:52
Right now everyone is arguing over the best word to describe the crowded, dirty camps where large numbers of migrants are held in processes that could drag on forever, at the behest of a cruel old racist. Once we establish that the word "concentration" should not be placed before "camp", everyone will conclude that this is all perfectly fine.
This. Very much so. Once we've removed the objectionable phrase, we can move on to the final solution of the immigration problem.
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Post by dead_elvis » 19 Jun 2019, 17:40

What ever happened to the the phrase "foreseeable consequences are not unintended."

They want the deterrence but without any obligation when that policy fails. Any policy that has this failure mode needs to go.
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Post by Jennifer » 19 Jun 2019, 17:43

I do love how the same people who, in other contexts, will scream "Literally Communism!" at a two-percent proposed tax increase will insist that unless we're actually building and using cyanide-gas death chambers, it's not REALLY a concentration camp.

Also, "diversity" is "white genocide" but a concentration camp is not a concentration camp.
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Post by Jennifer » 20 Jun 2019, 03:29

"The Trump administration argued in front of a Ninth Circuit panel Tuesday that the government is not required to give soap or toothbrushes to children apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border and can have them sleep on concrete floors in frigid, overcrowded cells, despite a settlement agreement that requires detainees be kept in “safe and sanitary” facilities."
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Post by Aresen » 20 Jun 2019, 10:20

Jennifer wrote:
20 Jun 2019, 03:29
"The Trump administration argued in front of a Ninth Circuit panel Tuesday that the government is not required to give soap or toothbrushes to children apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border and can have them sleep on concrete floors in frigid, overcrowded cells, despite a settlement agreement that requires detainees be kept in “safe and sanitary” facilities."
Hey, but that settlement was under the Clinton administration, so they can disregard it. ('Lock her up')*

*It was Bill Clinton i/n/o, everyone knows Hillary was really in charge. /tinfoilhat
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Post by nicole » 20 Jun 2019, 10:29

Look, if you had listened to libertarians, you would have known this guy's first two pet issues marked him as an authoritarian fuckstick.
John Palmer, a former university professor, has always had a cause. For decades he urged Minnesota officials to face the dangers of drunken driving and embrace seatbelts. Now he has a new goal: curbing the resettlement of Somali refugees in St. Cloud, after a few thousand moved into this small city where Mr. Palmer has lived for decades.
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Post by Ellie » 20 Jun 2019, 13:27

Ugh, go cram your hole with lutefisk, you racist piece of shit, and leave the rest of us Minnesotans alone.
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Post by thoreau » 21 Jun 2019, 22:43

https://www.newsweek.com/migrant-childr ... mp-1445313

No administration officials should face any consequences for this because all rules and standards are arbitrary and too complicated to ever apply and nothing matters.

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Post by Jennifer » 22 Jun 2019, 00:30

It's only bad when other countries do it, Thoreau. Didn't you get the memo?
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Post by Mo » 23 Jun 2019, 03:34

At first I thought it was a joke, but turns out he was actually held hostage by Somali pirates. ICE is now officially less humane than Somali pirates.

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Post by Tuco » 23 Jun 2019, 06:35

Ellie wrote:
20 Jun 2019, 13:27
go cram your hole with lutefisk.
This is beautiful.

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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Dangerman » 23 Jun 2019, 08:53

Somali pirates are beholden to their hostages in a way that the USG is not.

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Post by Mo » 23 Jun 2019, 10:11

I mean they are at least shooting for a little bit of Stockholm Syndrome.
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Post by Pham Nuwen » 23 Jun 2019, 10:35

I'm just waiting for the bombing and assassination campaign in 20 years that targets our hero CBP and ICE agents. And the inevitable freakout that concentration camps might just maybe piss off people in a country that prides itself on easy access to guns and weapon components.
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Post by thoreau » 23 Jun 2019, 12:42

Pham Nuwen wrote:
23 Jun 2019, 10:35
I'm just waiting for the bombing and assassination campaign in 20 years that targets our hero CBP and ICE agents. And the inevitable freakout that concentration camps might just maybe piss off people in a country that prides itself on easy access to guns and weapon components.
No, Pham. They hate us for our freedom, not for our concentration camps. Didn't you get the memo?
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Hugh Akston » 23 Jun 2019, 14:40

Dangerman wrote:
23 Jun 2019, 08:53
Somali pirates are beholden to their hostages in a way that the USG is not.
I'mana hang on to this one for a while
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Post by Dangerman » 24 Jun 2019, 08:32

Cherish it, Hugh. Take good care of it for me, give it the love it deserves, the life I couldn't ever promise it

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Post by Ellie » 24 Jun 2019, 13:11

I'm thinking I need to take a social media and maybe even Grylliade break for a while due to so many people sharing stories about little immigrant kids in detention centers. I'm glad people are talking about it and raising awareness and ire, and I hope it leads to actual change. Right now I just feel so fucking helpless; I don't have any money to send to organizations fighting this, nor the emotional fortitude to write letters or make phone calls to legislators about it. I don't believe in prayer anymore so I can't even do that. I was up what felt like half the night last night worrying about those poor children. It's turning into intrusive thoughts I can't shake. Ugh. You guys know how much I love my Facebook so you know how much this is bothering me!
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by thoreau » 24 Jun 2019, 13:31

I have some money to spend, but my elected representatives already agree with me and it doesn't matter.

All that matters is that AOC used a word that a lot of people had been using for a while (including Japanese Americans who know something about the matter...) and the world is debating terminology now instead of asking why little kids are being denied toothbrushes and diapers.
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