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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Mo » 03 Feb 2019, 10:49

I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
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Post by Warren » 03 Feb 2019, 11:01

Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here.
Why? What difference does it make?
Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
I don't see how disinterest leads to "Oh no you don't".
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Post by Kolohe » 03 Feb 2019, 12:27

Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
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Post by Warren » 03 Feb 2019, 13:57

Kolohe wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 12:27
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
Ah I see. We're talking about state agents of kleptocracies, so there is some culpability.
I'm okay with the mid level bureaucrats coming here.
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Post by Mo » 03 Feb 2019, 14:30

Kolohe wrote:The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
More the non-C-level execs. If those new American citizens pay their US taxes as expats, I’ll be a bit more understanding, but something tells me that will never happen unless they move over.
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Post by Mo » 03 Feb 2019, 14:30

Warren wrote:
Kolohe wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 12:27
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
Ah I see. We're talking about state agents of kleptocracies, so there is some culpability.
I'm okay with the mid level bureaucrats coming here.
Not necessarily state agents, some of them are also leaders of favored “private” businesses.
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Post by Aresen » 03 Feb 2019, 18:16

Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 14:30
Warren wrote:
Kolohe wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 12:27
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
Ah I see. We're talking about state agents of kleptocracies, so there is some culpability.
I'm okay with the mid level bureaucrats coming here.
Not necessarily state agents, some of them are also leaders of favored “private” businesses.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 03 Feb 2019, 19:47

Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 14:30
Warren wrote:
Kolohe wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 12:27
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
Ah I see. We're talking about state agents of kleptocracies, so there is some culpability.
I'm okay with the mid level bureaucrats coming here.
Not necessarily state agents, some of them are also leaders of favored “private” businesses.
Eh. If those people are ever fleeing in big numbers to America with their families, it'd be to evade firing squads or camps run by some shitty (and potentially shittier-than-current) successor government. I think history has convincingly shown that if the successor government is a nice liberal democracy, those assholes tend to keep their jobs.
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by thoreau » 03 Feb 2019, 20:08

Eric the .5b wrote:
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 14:30
Warren wrote:
Kolohe wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 12:27
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
Ah I see. We're talking about state agents of kleptocracies, so there is some culpability.
I'm okay with the mid level bureaucrats coming here.
Not necessarily state agents, some of them are also leaders of favored “private” businesses.
Eh. If those people are ever fleeing in big numbers to America with their families, it'd be to evade firing squads or camps run by some shitty (and potentially shittier-than-current) successor government. I think history has convincingly shown that if the successor government is a nice liberal democracy, those assholes tend to keep their jobs.
And even a large number of boring bureaucrats get to keep their jobs under an illiberal successor government. Somebody needs to make construction projects run on time for the new golden palace.
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Eric the .5b » 03 Feb 2019, 20:15

thoreau wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 20:08
Eric the .5b wrote:
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 14:30
Warren wrote:
Kolohe wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 12:27
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
Ah I see. We're talking about state agents of kleptocracies, so there is some culpability.
I'm okay with the mid level bureaucrats coming here.
Not necessarily state agents, some of them are also leaders of favored “private” businesses.
Eh. If those people are ever fleeing in big numbers to America with their families, it'd be to evade firing squads or camps run by some shitty (and potentially shittier-than-current) successor government. I think history has convincingly shown that if the successor government is a nice liberal democracy, those assholes tend to keep their jobs.
And even a large number of boring bureaucrats get to keep their jobs under an illiberal successor government. Somebody needs to make construction projects run on time for the new golden palace.
Exactly. If people are fleeing to the US, the situation has to be dire.
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Post by Aresen » 03 Feb 2019, 20:55

Eric the .5b wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 20:15
thoreau wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 20:08
Eh. If those people are ever fleeing in big numbers to America with their families, it'd be to evade firing squads or camps run by some shitty (and potentially shittier-than-current) successor government. I think history has convincingly shown that if the successor government is a nice liberal democracy, those assholes tend to keep their jobs.
And even a large number of boring bureaucrats get to keep their jobs under an illiberal successor government. Somebody needs to make construction projects run on time for the new golden palace.
Exactly. If people are fleeing to the US, the situation has to be dire.
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It depends whether the successor is an apparatchik who's worked his way up the system and sees no need to change it or a paranoid who wants to eliminate all rivals, real or potential.

Edit to add: The former, of course, can turn into the latter.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 03 Feb 2019, 22:22

Aresen wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 20:55
Eric the .5b wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 20:15
thoreau wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 20:08
Eh. If those people are ever fleeing in big numbers to America with their families, it'd be to evade firing squads or camps run by some shitty (and potentially shittier-than-current) successor government. I think history has convincingly shown that if the successor government is a nice liberal democracy, those assholes tend to keep their jobs.
And even a large number of boring bureaucrats get to keep their jobs under an illiberal successor government. Somebody needs to make construction projects run on time for the new golden palace.
Exactly. If people are fleeing to the US, the situation has to be dire.
It depends whether the successor is an apparatchik who's worked his way up the system and sees no need to change it or a paranoid who wants to eliminate all rivals, real or potential.

Edit to add: The former, of course, can turn into the latter.
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Successor government, not a shift in administration.
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Post by Mo » 04 Feb 2019, 04:16

Eric the .5b wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 19:47
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 14:30
Warren wrote:
Kolohe wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 12:27
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
Ah I see. We're talking about state agents of kleptocracies, so there is some culpability.
I'm okay with the mid level bureaucrats coming here.
Not necessarily state agents, some of them are also leaders of favored “private” businesses.
Eh. If those people are ever fleeing in big numbers to America with their families, it'd be to evade firing squads or camps run by some shitty (and potentially shittier-than-current) successor government. I think history has convincingly shown that if the successor government is a nice liberal democracy, those assholes tend to keep their jobs.
Not really. I am familiar with the same group of people in Egypt and many of them fled to Europe or the US to be able to get going without losing their large, corruption enhanced financial gains. Al lot of them are billionaires/multi-millionaires that lined the pockets of the leadership to milk the masses.
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Post by Warren » 07 Feb 2019, 20:07

Mo wrote:
04 Feb 2019, 04:16
Eric the .5b wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 19:47
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 14:30
Warren wrote:
Kolohe wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 12:27
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
Ah I see. We're talking about state agents of kleptocracies, so there is some culpability.
I'm okay with the mid level bureaucrats coming here.
Not necessarily state agents, some of them are also leaders of favored “private” businesses.
Eh. If those people are ever fleeing in big numbers to America with their families, it'd be to evade firing squads or camps run by some shitty (and potentially shittier-than-current) successor government. I think history has convincingly shown that if the successor government is a nice liberal democracy, those assholes tend to keep their jobs.
Not really. I am familiar with the same group of people in Egypt and many of them fled to Europe or the US to be able to get going without losing their large, corruption enhanced financial gains. Al lot of them are billionaires/multi-millionaires that lined the pockets of the leadership to milk the masses.
Our government is pretty good at seizing assets when it wants to. If they're criminals they should answer for their crimes. Still not a reason to lock them out.
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Post by dead_elvis » 19 Mar 2019, 11:56

If We Build It, they'll re-purpose it
Contractors directed by the National Guard trimmed the border fence along the southwestern end of the United States with 18-foot thickets of the military-grade concertina wire.

Thieves are now stealing that same material at night and using it in their homes or selling the razor wire to Tijuana residents who are using it as an extra layer of home security around their residences, the city’s secretary of public safety confirmed Monday.
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Post by Dangerman » 19 Mar 2019, 12:07

CBP should take a cue from Latin America and just put broken glass in concrete walls. Cheap, no reason to steal it, and the aesthetics are familiar to folks from south of the border.

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Post by Mo » 03 Apr 2019, 18:01

Someone figured out how to get the White House to care about climate change.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch ... der-crisis
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Post by Hugh Akston » 03 Apr 2019, 19:58

Mo wrote:
03 Apr 2019, 18:01
Someone figured out how to get the White House to care about climate change.

https://www.newyorker.com/news/dispatch ... der-crisis
You really expect Donald rump to care about something in the New Yorker? That's not even on TV.
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Post by thoreau » 03 Apr 2019, 20:08

If Hurricane Sandy couldn't get a NYC real estate developer to care about climate change, I don't know what will.
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Post by Jennifer » 06 Apr 2019, 13:50

"U.S. Border Patrol agents have been accused of carrying out a string of "inhumane" abuses at an outdoor holding area for asylum seekers at the overcrowded Paso del Norte Port of Entry in El Paso, Texas, where hundreds of predominantly Central American families were forced to wait for their asylum claims to be processed over the past week.

On Monday, the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas and ACLU Border Rights Center filed a joint complaint to the Department of Homeland Security and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) calling "for an immediate end to the caging of immigrants in outdoor holding areas," as well as for an investigation into the treatment of asylum-seeking detainees held at the makeshift facility in El Paso.

The complaint details a series of alleged abuses reported to ACLU lawyers by former detainees at the site, now shut down, including migrant families being forced to sleep on rocky terrain for up to four nights in temperatures that dropped into the 30s, with only Mylar sheets to protect them. It also alleges that asylum seekers were forced to wake up every three hours and stand in what Texas Monthly magazine called a "sleep deprivation tactic."

“Border Patrol’s detention of people in outdoor pens, forcing families and children to sleep in the dirt for days, is just the latest cruelty inflicted on asylum seekers by this administration,” said Shaw Drake, policy counsel for the ACLU Border Rights Center."
https://www.newsweek.com/us-border-patr ... H1Jh_BOs4Q

Of course, as Trump has pointed out, asylum seekers are not people, merely "animals."
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Post by Eric the .5b » 06 Apr 2019, 17:14

I'm tempted to say we should disband ICE by marching them all into the high desert and leaving them there.
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Post by Aresen » 06 Apr 2019, 17:26

Jennifer wrote:
06 Apr 2019, 13:50
"U.S. Border Patrol agents have been accused of carrying out a string of "inhumane" abuses at an outdoor holding area for asylum seekers at the overcrowded Paso del Norte Port of Entry in El Paso, Texas, where hundreds of predominantly Central American families were forced to wait for their asylum claims to be processed over the past week.

On Monday, the American Civil Liberties Union of Texas and ACLU Border Rights Center filed a joint complaint to the Department of Homeland Security and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) calling "for an immediate end to the caging of immigrants in outdoor holding areas," as well as for an investigation into the treatment of asylum-seeking detainees held at the makeshift facility in El Paso.

The complaint details a series of alleged abuses reported to ACLU lawyers by former detainees at the site, now shut down, including migrant families being forced to sleep on rocky terrain for up to four nights in temperatures that dropped into the 30s, with only Mylar sheets to protect them. It also alleges that asylum seekers were forced to wake up every three hours and stand in what Texas Monthly magazine called a "sleep deprivation tactic."

“Border Patrol’s detention of people in outdoor pens, forcing families and children to sleep in the dirt for days, is just the latest cruelty inflicted on asylum seekers by this administration,” said Shaw Drake, policy counsel for the ACLU Border Rights Center."
https://www.newsweek.com/us-border-patr ... H1Jh_BOs4Q

Of course, as Trump has pointed out, asylum seekers are not people, merely "animals."
Eric the .5b wrote:
06 Apr 2019, 17:14
I'm tempted to say we should disband ICE by marching them all into the high desert and leaving them there.
I am really beginning to think that ICE is real-life validation of the Stanford Prison Experiment.
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Post by lunchstealer » 07 Apr 2019, 09:42

Eric the .5b wrote:I'm tempted to say we should disband ICE by marching them all into the high desert and leaving them there.
Specifically the Atacama.
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Post by Aresen » 07 Apr 2019, 11:18

lunchstealer wrote:
07 Apr 2019, 09:42
Eric the .5b wrote:I'm tempted to say we should disband ICE by marching them all into the high desert and leaving them there.
Specifically the Atacama.
I'd go for The Empty Quarter
wikipedia wrote:The region is classified as "hyper-arid", with annual precipitation generally less than 35 millimetres (1.4 in), and daily mean relative humidity of about 52% in January and 15% in June-July. Daily maximum temperatures average 47 °C (117 °F) in July and August, reaching peaks of 51 °C (124 °F). The daily minimum average is 12 °C (54 °F) in January and February, although frosts have been recorded. Daily extremes of temperature are considerable
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Post by thoreau » 07 Apr 2019, 12:21

You guys aren't thinking big enough. Write this down: M-A-R-S. Mars, bitchez!
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