If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Mo » 03 Feb 2019, 10:49

I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Warren » 03 Feb 2019, 11:01

Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here.
Why? What difference does it make?
Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
I don't see how disinterest leads to "Oh no you don't".
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Kolohe » 03 Feb 2019, 12:27

Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Warren » 03 Feb 2019, 13:57

Kolohe wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 12:27
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
Ah I see. We're talking about state agents of kleptocracies, so there is some culpability.
I'm okay with the mid level bureaucrats coming here.
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Mo » 03 Feb 2019, 14:30

Kolohe wrote:The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
More the non-C-level execs. If those new American citizens pay their US taxes as expats, I’ll be a bit more understanding, but something tells me that will never happen unless they move over.
his voice is so soothing, but why do conspiracy nuts always sound like Batman and Robin solving one of Riddler's puzzles out loud? - fod

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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Mo » 03 Feb 2019, 14:30

Warren wrote:
Kolohe wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 12:27
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
Ah I see. We're talking about state agents of kleptocracies, so there is some culpability.
I'm okay with the mid level bureaucrats coming here.
Not necessarily state agents, some of them are also leaders of favored “private” businesses.
his voice is so soothing, but why do conspiracy nuts always sound like Batman and Robin solving one of Riddler's puzzles out loud? - fod

no one ever yells worldstar when a pet gets fucked up - dhex

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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Aresen » 03 Feb 2019, 18:16

Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 14:30
Warren wrote:
Kolohe wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 12:27
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
Ah I see. We're talking about state agents of kleptocracies, so there is some culpability.
I'm okay with the mid level bureaucrats coming here.
Not necessarily state agents, some of them are also leaders of favored “private” businesses.
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Eric the .5b » 03 Feb 2019, 19:47

Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 14:30
Warren wrote:
Kolohe wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 12:27
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
Ah I see. We're talking about state agents of kleptocracies, so there is some culpability.
I'm okay with the mid level bureaucrats coming here.
Not necessarily state agents, some of them are also leaders of favored “private” businesses.
Eh. If those people are ever fleeing in big numbers to America with their families, it'd be to evade firing squads or camps run by some shitty (and potentially shittier-than-current) successor government. I think history has convincingly shown that if the successor government is a nice liberal democracy, those assholes tend to keep their jobs.
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by thoreau » 03 Feb 2019, 20:08

Eric the .5b wrote:
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 14:30
Warren wrote:
Kolohe wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 12:27
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
Ah I see. We're talking about state agents of kleptocracies, so there is some culpability.
I'm okay with the mid level bureaucrats coming here.
Not necessarily state agents, some of them are also leaders of favored “private” businesses.
Eh. If those people are ever fleeing in big numbers to America with their families, it'd be to evade firing squads or camps run by some shitty (and potentially shittier-than-current) successor government. I think history has convincingly shown that if the successor government is a nice liberal democracy, those assholes tend to keep their jobs.
And even a large number of boring bureaucrats get to keep their jobs under an illiberal successor government. Somebody needs to make construction projects run on time for the new golden palace.
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Eric the .5b » 03 Feb 2019, 20:15

thoreau wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 20:08
Eric the .5b wrote:
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 14:30
Warren wrote:
Kolohe wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 12:27
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
Ah I see. We're talking about state agents of kleptocracies, so there is some culpability.
I'm okay with the mid level bureaucrats coming here.
Not necessarily state agents, some of them are also leaders of favored “private” businesses.
Eh. If those people are ever fleeing in big numbers to America with their families, it'd be to evade firing squads or camps run by some shitty (and potentially shittier-than-current) successor government. I think history has convincingly shown that if the successor government is a nice liberal democracy, those assholes tend to keep their jobs.
And even a large number of boring bureaucrats get to keep their jobs under an illiberal successor government. Somebody needs to make construction projects run on time for the new golden palace.
Exactly. If people are fleeing to the US, the situation has to be dire.
"Better that ten guilty persons escape than that one innocent suffer."
"Cyberpunk never really gave the government enough credit for their ability to secure a favorable prenup during the Corporate-State wedding." - Shem

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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Aresen » 03 Feb 2019, 20:55

Eric the .5b wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 20:15
thoreau wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 20:08
Eh. If those people are ever fleeing in big numbers to America with their families, it'd be to evade firing squads or camps run by some shitty (and potentially shittier-than-current) successor government. I think history has convincingly shown that if the successor government is a nice liberal democracy, those assholes tend to keep their jobs.
And even a large number of boring bureaucrats get to keep their jobs under an illiberal successor government. Somebody needs to make construction projects run on time for the new golden palace.
Exactly. If people are fleeing to the US, the situation has to be dire.
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It depends whether the successor is an apparatchik who's worked his way up the system and sees no need to change it or a paranoid who wants to eliminate all rivals, real or potential.

Edit to add: The former, of course, can turn into the latter.
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Eric the .5b » 03 Feb 2019, 22:22

Aresen wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 20:55
Eric the .5b wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 20:15
thoreau wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 20:08
Eh. If those people are ever fleeing in big numbers to America with their families, it'd be to evade firing squads or camps run by some shitty (and potentially shittier-than-current) successor government. I think history has convincingly shown that if the successor government is a nice liberal democracy, those assholes tend to keep their jobs.
And even a large number of boring bureaucrats get to keep their jobs under an illiberal successor government. Somebody needs to make construction projects run on time for the new golden palace.
Exactly. If people are fleeing to the US, the situation has to be dire.
It depends whether the successor is an apparatchik who's worked his way up the system and sees no need to change it or a paranoid who wants to eliminate all rivals, real or potential.

Edit to add: The former, of course, can turn into the latter.
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Successor government, not a shift in administration.
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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Mo » 04 Feb 2019, 04:16

Eric the .5b wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 19:47
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 14:30
Warren wrote:
Kolohe wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 12:27
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
Ah I see. We're talking about state agents of kleptocracies, so there is some culpability.
I'm okay with the mid level bureaucrats coming here.
Not necessarily state agents, some of them are also leaders of favored “private” businesses.
Eh. If those people are ever fleeing in big numbers to America with their families, it'd be to evade firing squads or camps run by some shitty (and potentially shittier-than-current) successor government. I think history has convincingly shown that if the successor government is a nice liberal democracy, those assholes tend to keep their jobs.
Not really. I am familiar with the same group of people in Egypt and many of them fled to Europe or the US to be able to get going without losing their large, corruption enhanced financial gains. Al lot of them are billionaires/multi-millionaires that lined the pockets of the leadership to milk the masses.
his voice is so soothing, but why do conspiracy nuts always sound like Batman and Robin solving one of Riddler's puzzles out loud? - fod

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Re: If We Build It, They'll Probably Still Come

Post by Warren » 07 Feb 2019, 20:07

Mo wrote:
04 Feb 2019, 04:16
Eric the .5b wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 19:47
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 14:30
Warren wrote:
Kolohe wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 12:27
Mo wrote:
03 Feb 2019, 10:49
I care less about class and more about the desire to live here. Less interested in using US citizenship as an insurance policy for your kleptocracy.
The real kleptocrats already have deals with the State Department or CIA or both or can just bribe their way out.

This is for the middle managers.
Ah I see. We're talking about state agents of kleptocracies, so there is some culpability.
I'm okay with the mid level bureaucrats coming here.
Not necessarily state agents, some of them are also leaders of favored “private” businesses.
Eh. If those people are ever fleeing in big numbers to America with their families, it'd be to evade firing squads or camps run by some shitty (and potentially shittier-than-current) successor government. I think history has convincingly shown that if the successor government is a nice liberal democracy, those assholes tend to keep their jobs.
Not really. I am familiar with the same group of people in Egypt and many of them fled to Europe or the US to be able to get going without losing their large, corruption enhanced financial gains. Al lot of them are billionaires/multi-millionaires that lined the pockets of the leadership to milk the masses.
Our government is pretty good at seizing assets when it wants to. If they're criminals they should answer for their crimes. Still not a reason to lock them out.
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