Money for Nothing: the Universal Basic Income

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Re: Money for Nothing: the Universal Basic Income

Post by Aresen » 17 Nov 2019, 10:26

Ellie wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 01:03
I confess I don't know anything about "the dole" besides hearing references to it in some of the British novels I've read. From my extremely ignorant perspective, it sounds a little like UBI -- kind of like money for nothing, but not very much, just enough to get by? Or am I way off base?

(yes, I could google it, but I don't feel like it SO THERE)
The usage I am familiar with meant 'being on welfare'.
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Re: Money for Nothing: the Universal Basic Income

Post by Shem » 17 Nov 2019, 15:07

Ellie wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 01:03
I confess I don't know anything about "the dole" besides hearing references to it in some of the British novels I've read. From my extremely ignorant perspective, it sounds a little like UBI -- kind of like money for nothing, but not very much, just enough to get by? Or am I way off base?

(yes, I could google it, but I don't feel like it SO THERE)
The dole is unemployment benefits. At least in a British context.
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Re: Money for Nothing: the Universal Basic Income

Post by JasonL » 17 Nov 2019, 16:42

https://www.investopedia.com/terms/j/jo ... ce-jsa.asp

Normal mode seems to be up to 26 weeks with requirements to continue searching for employment and accepting any job with “reasonable”wage.

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Re: Money for Nothing: the Universal Basic Income

Post by Shem » 17 Nov 2019, 20:23

That's Unemployment.
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Re: Money for Nothing: the Universal Basic Income

Post by JD » 18 Nov 2019, 10:24

"The dole" is basically unemployment/welfare, but my impression is that in recent decades it's actually been a lot more restricted; at its height it seemed to be generous, non-time-limited unemployment, housing provided by the local council, plus of course the free education, free healthcare, etc.
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Re: Money for Nothing: the Universal Basic Income

Post by JasonL » 18 Nov 2019, 10:48

Shem wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 20:23
That's Unemployment.
I know? I was just clarifying the flavor of UK unemployment.

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Re: Money for Nothing: the Universal Basic Income

Post by Shem » 18 Nov 2019, 12:38

JasonL wrote:
18 Nov 2019, 10:48
Shem wrote:
17 Nov 2019, 20:23
That's Unemployment.
I know? I was just clarifying the flavor of UK unemployment.
That's exactly the same as US flavor in at least 45 states.
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Re: Money for Nothing: the Universal Basic Income

Post by JasonL » 18 Nov 2019, 12:56

Ok? Are we arguing about something?

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Re: Money for Nothing: the Universal Basic Income

Post by Ellie » 18 Nov 2019, 13:08

JD wrote:
18 Nov 2019, 10:24
at its height it seemed to be generous, non-time-limited unemployment, housing provided by the local council, plus of course the free education, free healthcare, etc.
Yeah, I just realized how unclear I was in my post! Most of the books I've read are talking about the dole in the 70s and 80s and make it sound like everybody was just getting money automatically each week and nobody was looking for work anyway.

I'm sure it's still much more like modern unemployment than a UBI, but there was just something the other day where an Irish woman on a podcast was reminiscing about getting her weekly dole check that made me go "hmm." Anyway, carry on!
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Re: Money for Nothing: the Universal Basic Income

Post by Warren » 18 Nov 2019, 13:16

Ellie wrote:
18 Nov 2019, 13:08
JD wrote:
18 Nov 2019, 10:24
at its height it seemed to be generous, non-time-limited unemployment, housing provided by the local council, plus of course the free education, free healthcare, etc.
Yeah, I just realized how unclear I was in my post! Most of the books I've read are talking about the dole in the 70s and 80s and make it sound like everybody was just getting money automatically each week and nobody was looking for work anyway.

I'm sure it's still much more like modern unemployment than a UBI, but there was just something the other day where an Irish woman on a podcast was reminiscing about getting her weekly dole check that made me go "hmm." Anyway, carry on!
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