Orange is the new President

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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Shem » 25 Jul 2019, 16:57

lunchstealer wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 15:57
Aresen wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 15:19
Is it unlibertarian to carry out capital punishment on Telemarketers and Internet Scammers, if it is done privately?

I'm asking for a friend.
That's defense of self or other. It's what the 2nd Amendment is there for.
I thought the Second Amendment was there to keep the King of England from pushing me around.
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Shem » 25 Jul 2019, 16:59

Hugh Akston wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 15:53
Shem wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 14:46
Hugh Akston wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 14:06
nicole wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 10:55
Most libertarian blah blah

Sorry, has anyone anywhere referred to Bill Barr or Trump generally as the most libertarian anything?
Yes.
How about anybody with an iota of libertarian credibility?
Nobody has any libertarian credibility. That's the only thing libertarians agree on.
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Hugh Akston » 25 Jul 2019, 17:02

Shem wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 16:59
Hugh Akston wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 15:53
Shem wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 14:46
Hugh Akston wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 14:06
nicole wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 10:55
Most libertarian blah blah

Sorry, has anyone anywhere referred to Bill Barr or Trump generally as the most libertarian anything?
Yes.
How about anybody with an iota of libertarian credibility?
Nobody has any libertarian credibility. That's the only thing libertarians agree on.
Fair enough
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Aresen » 25 Jul 2019, 17:05

FWIW, here are the 5 people scheduled for execution up to January. It's rather difficult to build sympathy for any of them unless you ignore the possibility that one or more of them could be innocent.
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by thoreau » 25 Jul 2019, 17:08

Shem wrote:
Hugh Akston wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 15:53
Shem wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 14:46
Hugh Akston wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 14:06
nicole wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 10:55
Most libertarian blah blah

Sorry, has anyone anywhere referred to Bill Barr or Trump generally as the most libertarian anything?
Yes.
How about anybody with an iota of libertarian credibility?
Nobody has any libertarian credibility. That's the only thing libertarians agree on.
What qualifies you to offer such generalizations about libertarians?
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Warren » 25 Jul 2019, 17:33

Hugh Akston wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 15:53
Shem wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 14:46
Hugh Akston wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 14:06
nicole wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 10:55
Most libertarian blah blah

Sorry, has anyone anywhere referred to Bill Barr or Trump generally as the most libertarian anything?
Yes.
How about anybody with an iota of libertarian credibility?
Libertarian credibility? Does it frolic in meadows with pixies and unicorns?
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by lunchstealer » 25 Jul 2019, 17:35

Shem wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 16:57
lunchstealer wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 15:57
Aresen wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 15:19
Is it unlibertarian to carry out capital punishment on Telemarketers and Internet Scammers, if it is done privately?

I'm asking for a friend.
That's defense of self or other. It's what the 2nd Amendment is there for.
I thought the Second Amendment was there to keep the King of England from pushing me around.
Are you saying George wasn't a telemarketer?
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Eric the .5b » 25 Jul 2019, 19:52

Aresen wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 17:05
FWIW, here are the 5 people scheduled for execution up to January. It's rather difficult to build sympathy for any of them unless you ignore the possibility that one or more of them could be innocent.
Your phrasing is confusing. Did you mean "consider the possibility"?

Myself, I don't think libertarianism requires rejecting the death penalty. I think it requires rejecting the idea that the American state and federal justice systems are competent to mete out the death penalty in anything like a just manner.
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Kolohe » 25 Jul 2019, 23:38

Alfred Bourgeois
A plan to kill Bourgeois? Maybe Trump's a commie after all.

eta - more seriously, I'm curious why some of these are federal cases. (though the first guy makes the most sense, an Oklahoman killing a family in Arkansas to set up a white nation in the Pacific Northwest, so a lot of interstate stuff)
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Aresen » 26 Jul 2019, 00:26

Eric the .5b wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 19:52
Aresen wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 17:05
FWIW, here are the 5 people scheduled for execution up to January. It's rather difficult to build sympathy for any of them unless you ignore the possibility that one or more of them could be innocent.
Your phrasing is confusing. Did you mean "consider the possibility"?

Myself, I don't think libertarianism requires rejecting the death penalty. I think it requires rejecting the idea that the American state and federal justice systems are competent to mete out the death penalty in anything like a just manner.
Yeah. Bad phrasing. What I meant to suggest was that while the crimes were horrific, there always exists the possibility that the accused is innocent. I think this is even more likely with sensational crimes, where the cops and prosecutors are under pressure to 'make someone pay.'
Kolohe wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 23:38
I'm curious why some of these are federal cases. (though the first guy makes the most sense, an Oklahoman killing a family in Arkansas to set up a white nation in the Pacific Northwest, so a lot of interstate stuff)
IIRC and without going back to look, most of them involved crossing a state line or something like that. I suspect there was some 'jurisdiction shopping' in an effort to find a death-penalty-friendly judge.
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Eric the .5b » 26 Jul 2019, 06:59

Aresen wrote:
26 Jul 2019, 00:26
Eric the .5b wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 19:52
Aresen wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 17:05
FWIW, here are the 5 people scheduled for execution up to January. It's rather difficult to build sympathy for any of them unless you ignore the possibility that one or more of them could be innocent.
Your phrasing is confusing. Did you mean "consider the possibility"?

Myself, I don't think libertarianism requires rejecting the death penalty. I think it requires rejecting the idea that the American state and federal justice systems are competent to mete out the death penalty in anything like a just manner.
Yeah. Bad phrasing. What I meant to suggest was that while the crimes were horrific, there always exists the possibility that the accused is innocent. I think this is even more likely with sensational crimes, where the cops and prosecutors are under pressure to 'make someone pay.'
Yeah, that's when people get railroaded.
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Mo » 26 Jul 2019, 08:19

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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Aresen » 26 Jul 2019, 16:56

I really think it's an improvement

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In fact, I think it should be used for all POTUS going forward.
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Taktix® » 28 Jul 2019, 02:05

Shem wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 14:46
Hugh Akston wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 14:06
nicole wrote:
25 Jul 2019, 10:55
Most libertarian blah blah

Sorry, has anyone anywhere referred to Bill Barr or Trump generally as the most libertarian anything?
Yes.
Also former Broward County LP chairman Alex Vidal who now works for Roger Stone and Milo, and also A_R at some point...
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Mo » 30 Jul 2019, 18:26

The world where it’s actually relevant for members of the Wu Tang Clan to comment on State Department business is far less fun than expected.
It wasn’t immediately clear why Trump dispatched a diplomat charged with advocating for hostages. Fellow rapper RZA (RIHZ’-uh) of the Wu-Tang Clan told The Associated Press on Friday he was concerned about A$AP Rocky and “disappointed that a judge cannot discern that this is not a man you hold hostage.”
https://apnews.com/7ae4a9d93a2a49b69d3b ... SocialFlow
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Pham Nuwen » 30 Jul 2019, 20:05

Hey man. Wu tang ain't nothing to fuck with.
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Kolohe » 31 Jul 2019, 19:46


The Prosecutors who lost the case against SEAL Eddie Gallagher (who I released from solitary confinement so he could fight his case properly), were ridiculously given a Navy Achievement Medal. Not only did they lose the case, they had difficulty with respect....
This is one of those things thats such a level of penny ante bullshit, it's actually hillarious (since it's happening to someone else)

This is like the CEO of McD's recinding some franchise's award of employee of the month.
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Shem » 31 Jul 2019, 19:51

Kolohe wrote:
31 Jul 2019, 19:46

The Prosecutors who lost the case against SEAL Eddie Gallagher (who I released from solitary confinement so he could fight his case properly), were ridiculously given a Navy Achievement Medal. Not only did they lose the case, they had difficulty with respect....
This is one of those things thats such a level of penny ante bullshit, it's actually hillarious (since it's happening to someone else)

This is like the CEO of McD's recinding some franchise's award of employee of the month.
President Snowflake has decided taking away someone's participation trophy is a suitable punishment. It's the most apropos thing he's ever done.
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by D.A. Ridgely » 31 Jul 2019, 20:50

DoD hands out so many phony baloney medals and awards that even I have several.

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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Mo » 01 Aug 2019, 10:50

Shem wrote:
31 Jul 2019, 19:51
Kolohe wrote:
31 Jul 2019, 19:46

The Prosecutors who lost the case against SEAL Eddie Gallagher (who I released from solitary confinement so he could fight his case properly), were ridiculously given a Navy Achievement Medal. Not only did they lose the case, they had difficulty with respect....
This is one of those things thats such a level of penny ante bullshit, it's actually hillarious (since it's happening to someone else)

This is like the CEO of McD's recinding some franchise's award of employee of the month.
President Snowflake has decided taking away someone's participation trophy is a suitable punishment. It's the most apropos thing he's ever done.
In fairness, part of the award was for "exceptional witness preparation" and yet they lost the case because one of their witnesses lost them their case because he decided to pull off the too cartoonish for Law and Order, "The real killer was .... me!" right after he received immunity.
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by dead_elvis » 02 Aug 2019, 15:37

That whole case stunk to high heaven. And of course Trump is happy for the murderer who walked.

As usual Trump isn't making sense. He's criticizing the prosecution for getting him the result he wanted anyway.
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Shem » 02 Aug 2019, 23:39

To even put him on trial might give future murderers pause before they massacre civilians. He can't stand that.
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by D.A. Ridgely » 03 Aug 2019, 00:04

Um, you don't get to keep your immunity if your testimony deviates materially from the statement you signed to get the deal.

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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by Mo » 03 Aug 2019, 13:31

Does that apply to testimonial immunity as well?
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Re: Orange is the new President

Post by D.A. Ridgely » 03 Aug 2019, 13:38

Mo wrote:
03 Aug 2019, 13:31
Does that apply to testimonial immunity as well?
I don't understand the question. Obviously, Andrew would be better suited to answer such questions, but my understanding is that an immunity deal is predicated on the testimony given in court comporting in all material respects with whatever statement the witness signed as part of the deal. Modern discovery being as inclusive as it is, there aren't any Perry Mason moments in a criminal trial unless someone screwed up in a much bigger way than "lost my commendation" would imply.

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