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Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 01:36
by Jadagul
Sure. It's just true that there are some things which are protected from discovery by attorney-client privilege, and other things which are not.

But I'm assuming this entire strategy is in part an attempt to end-run discovery---that's why the lawyer is suing in his own name, and not in Trump's. I'm guessing the rest of the litigation strategy is also based around defeating discovery, and they're intending to claim attorney-client privilege on a bunch of things. (And possibly choosing the statements they're suing over to line up with what can be defended that way---at least, that's what I'd do if I were running strategy here).

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 02:05
by Pham Nuwen
Jadagul wrote:
10 Jan 2018, 01:36
Sure. It's just true that there are some things which are protected from discovery by attorney-client privilege, and other things which are not.

But I'm assuming this entire strategy is in part an attempt to end-run discovery---that's why the lawyer is suing in his own name, and not in Trump's. I'm guessing the rest of the litigation strategy is also based around defeating discovery, and they're intending to claim attorney-client privilege on a bunch of things. (And possibly choosing the statements they're suing over to line up with what can be defended that way---at least, that's what I'd do if I were running strategy here).
I mean. Would you have standing to sue for defamation of someone else besides yourself? I don't get it.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 02:39
by Jadagul
Pham Nuwen wrote:
10 Jan 2018, 02:05
Jadagul wrote:
10 Jan 2018, 01:36
Sure. It's just true that there are some things which are protected from discovery by attorney-client privilege, and other things which are not.

But I'm assuming this entire strategy is in part an attempt to end-run discovery---that's why the lawyer is suing in his own name, and not in Trump's. I'm guessing the rest of the litigation strategy is also based around defeating discovery, and they're intending to claim attorney-client privilege on a bunch of things. (And possibly choosing the statements they're suing over to line up with what can be defended that way---at least, that's what I'd do if I were running strategy here).
I mean. Would you have standing to sue for defamation of someone else besides yourself? I don't get it.
The question is why Trump's lawyer is suing for defamation of Trump's lawyer. Rather than, say, Trump suing for defamation of Trump. (Or, if you're worried about the issues of the President starting a lawsuit, then Kushner suing for defamation of Kushner or something).

Like, I assume that the decision for Cohen to sue Buzzfeed was something decided on with Trump---and not just Cohen getting personally pissed off. I suppose I could be wrong.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 10 Jan 2018, 09:04
by Kolohe
iirc, Cohen is named as one of the 'sources' in the dossier (I can't remember if its in the dossier itself, or in reporting on it), and he denies ever being in the location when one of the meetings supposedly took place.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 18:07
by nicole
thinky-face


Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 19:13
by Aresen
nicole wrote:
11 Jan 2018, 18:07
thinky-face

As long as Trump continues to twitter things that sound like what a sportsbar patron would say after the third drink, he cannot alienate his base.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 19:24
by thoreau
Aresen wrote:
11 Jan 2018, 19:13
As long as Trump continues to twitter things that sound like what a sportsbar patron would say after the third drink, he cannot alienate his base.
America is truly a democracy.

Fuck.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 19:40
by Mo
I would hypothesize that the median African immigrant to the US is more educated and harder-working than the median Norwegian immigrant.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 20:45
by JD
Mo wrote:
11 Jan 2018, 19:40
I would hypothesize that the median African immigrant to the US is more educated and harder-working than the median Norwegian immigrant.
There's a fair amount of evidence showing that Black African immigrants to the US are more successful than native-born Black Americans. There are a lot of factors at work, of course.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 21:00
by Mo
Oh I know, it's because they are disproportionately the most educated, motivated and hard-working citizens looking to improve their life. I would hypothesize that immigrants from wealthy countries are more likely to be romantic dreamers looking for adventure, with a smaller proportion of self-motivated strivers.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 22:47
by Mo

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 11 Jan 2018, 23:19
by Pham Nuwen
Did anyone see Phillip Mudd on CNN? Goddamn

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 00:09
by Mo
Yeah, coming hard with the hammer. He said the N-word twice and Lemon didn't object either time.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 07:26
by dhex
man why the fuck would you say that particular word on tv?

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 07:36
by Mo

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 08:07
by dhex
Yeah but still

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 08:23
by nicole
I was shocked enough earlier in the day when he mentioned wops and slant-eyes.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 10:57
by Painboy
Mo wrote:
12 Jan 2018, 07:36
He was just rolling at that point. https://www.mediaite.com/online/watch-c ... -shtholer/
From the article:
“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?,” Trump reportedly said — referring to African countries, El Salvador, and Haiti.
Uhm....

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 11:18
by Mo
Painboy wrote:
12 Jan 2018, 10:57
From the article:
“Why are we having all these people from shithole countries come here?,” Trump reportedly said — referring to African countries, El Salvador, and Haiti.
Uhm....
What's the confusion? The Oxford comma saves the day.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 11:37
by nicole
The US ambassador to Haiti has resigned.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 11:44
by dhex
oxford comma saves erry day

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 11:45
by Kolohe
nicole wrote:
12 Jan 2018, 11:37
The US ambassador to Haiti has resigned.
Is it the woman that's been there as an interim appointment when the last guy resigned as part of the change of adminstration (Robin Diallo) or is it the woman that Trump picked to be the 'real' ambassador, but doesn't appear to have shown up for the job yet? (Michele Sison)

the internet isn't clear.

eta - though they are both career foreign service officers.

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 11:48
by nicole
Kolohe wrote:
12 Jan 2018, 11:45
nicole wrote:
12 Jan 2018, 11:37
The US ambassador to Haiti has resigned.
Is it the woman that's been there as an interim appointment when the last guy resigned as part of the change of adminstration (Robin Diallo) or is it the woman that Trump picked to be the 'real' ambassador, but doesn't appear to have shown up for the job yet? (Michele Sison)

the internet isn't clear.

eta - though they are both career foreign service officers.
yeah, was just coming back to say this is unclear

Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 11:53
by Kolohe
The internet now says it was the US Ambassador to Panama that resigned.

and also


Re: Orange is the new President

Posted: 12 Jan 2018, 12:10
by thoreau