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Post by Aresen » 20 Mar 2018, 10:54

The obvious solution is to move voting day ahead.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 20 Mar 2018, 13:10

At this point, I'm trying to remind myself that at least I'll be able to watch Team Red wail and gnash their teeth.

I hope so, at least, if the Blues can keep their smugging down to a moderate hyena yowl.
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Post by tr0g » 20 Mar 2018, 14:01

Whatever happens, nothing is going to beat the comedy of watching donks insist the reason Hillary lost is everything under the sun but the candidate and a shitty campaign.
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Post by Kolohe » 20 Mar 2018, 14:09

I mean, yeah, dead voters help Democrats. Doesn't everyone know that already?
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 20 Mar 2018, 14:11

Ellie wrote:
20 Mar 2018, 10:51
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I've seen this shared on Facebook I don't know how many times. I keep wanting to make one that says "Fun Fact #3: 1 million voters will die in the next six months!"
Fun Fact 4: They'll still keep voting in Chicago, though.

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Post by Eric the .5b » 20 Mar 2018, 14:17

I dunno, tr0g, it's just tedious at this point. If Hillary were a man... Well, Blues would have to admit they took an arrogant, unlikeable guy with a punchable face, a privileged fucker who's walked into a political career thanks to family ties, someone who made Mittens the Robot look friendly, and put him up for president. That they'd reversed the usual primary/general plan and pitched him as the gray, pragmatic, electable centrist at first, then tried to convince all the people they'd alienated that he was totally super-progressive. That he refused to do his job as a campaigner in "safe" states that he lost.

But, in this world, they get to take refuge from that in her femininity.
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Post by thoreau » 20 Mar 2018, 14:24

Eric, that may be the most insightful thing I've ever read about Hillary's loss.
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Post by tr0g » 20 Mar 2018, 14:31

Eric the .5b wrote:
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I dunno, tr0g, it's just tedious at this point. If Hillary were a man... Well, Blues would have to admit they took an arrogant, unlikeable guy with a punchable face, a privileged fucker who's walked into a political career thanks to family ties, someone who made Mittens the Robot look friendly, and put him up for president. That they'd reversed the usual primary/general plan and pitched him as the gray, pragmatic, electable centrist at first, then tried to convince all the people they'd alienated that he was totally super-progressive. That he refused to do his job as a campaigner in "safe" states that he lost.

But, in this world, they get to take refuge from that in her feminity.
It'll get old at some point, but I'm not there yet. But it doesn't bode well for their electoral future if they refuse to learn from the transparent mistakes of 2016. Maybe they are learning and just can't say anything aloud. I dunno.
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Post by thoreau » 20 Mar 2018, 15:00

If they can't say it publicly then that means that here are people who (1) matter (i.e. are capable of punishing them) and (2) aren't learning (i.e. are willing to punish if they talk about these lessons).
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tr0g wrote:
20 Mar 2018, 14:31
Eric the .5b wrote:
20 Mar 2018, 14:17
I dunno, tr0g, it's just tedious at this point. If Hillary were a man... Well, Blues would have to admit they took an arrogant, unlikeable guy with a punchable face, a privileged fucker who's walked into a political career thanks to family ties, someone who made Mittens the Robot look friendly, and put him up for president. That they'd reversed the usual primary/general plan and pitched him as the gray, pragmatic, electable centrist at first, then tried to convince all the people they'd alienated that he was totally super-progressive. That he refused to do his job as a campaigner in "safe" states that he lost.

But, in this world, they get to take refuge from that in her feminity.
It'll get old at some point, but I'm not there yet. But it doesn't bode well for their electoral future if they refuse to learn from the transparent mistakes of 2016. Maybe they are learning and just can't say anything aloud. I dunno.
I think they are counting on the continuing ability of the GOP to self-destruct.
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Re: Calling 2020 for Entropy

Post by Fin Fang Foom » 21 Mar 2018, 09:22

I think the Dems will win with an incredibly boring human being in 2020. Return to normalcy will be the theme.

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Post by Warren » 21 Mar 2018, 10:12

Fin Fang Foom wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 09:22
I think the Dems will win with an incredibly boring human being in 2020. Return to normalcy will be the theme.
I see absolutely no sign that there is any support for that in either party or the electorate. Politics in America is a doughnut.
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Post by Aresen » 21 Mar 2018, 10:59

Warren wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 10:12
Fin Fang Foom wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 09:22
I think the Dems will win with an incredibly boring human being in 2020. Return to normalcy will be the theme.
I see absolutely no sign that there is any support for that in either party or the electorate. Politics in America is a doughnut.
My gut says team Fin Fang Foom, especially if Trump runs for re-election. By the rules of the game, it should be Sanders, who many feel is 'owed' the nomination in 2020. But the rule book has been shredded. It won't just be the hyper-partisan activists that turn out for the primaries. The mainstream democrats will be motivated and will turn out for an 'electable' candidate (though 'electable' may mean nothing more than a breathing warm body if they are up against Trump.)

Sanders is the only democratic candidate who could actually lose to Trump, simply because the 'socialist' label is still toxic in US politics. (On balance, I think Sanders would win, but 'socialist' remains his weakness.) Warren is every bit as annoying as HRC, but she hasn't had the exposure Clinton had and is not past her 'best before' date. Brown, if nominated, would win in a cakewalk.
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Post by Warren » 21 Mar 2018, 11:18

Aresen wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 10:59
Sanders is the only democratic candidate who could actually lose to Trump, simply because the 'socialist' label is still toxic in US politics. (On balance, I think Sanders would win, but 'socialist' remains his weakness.) Warren is every bit as annoying as HRC, but she hasn't had the exposure Clinton had and is not past her 'best before' date. Brown, if nominated, would win in a cakewalk.
Brown is also past his sell-by date.
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Post by Ellie » 21 Mar 2018, 11:29

Who is Brown?

So sorry, so ignorant
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Aresen wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 10:59
Warren wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 10:12
Fin Fang Foom wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 09:22
I think the Dems will win with an incredibly boring human being in 2020. Return to normalcy will be the theme.
I see absolutely no sign that there is any support for that in either party or the electorate. Politics in America is a doughnut.
My gut says team Fin Fang Foom, especially if Trump runs for re-election. By the rules of the game, it should be Sanders, who many feel is 'owed' the nomination in 2020. But the rule book has been shredded. It won't just be the hyper-partisan activists that turn out for the primaries. The mainstream democrats will be motivated and will turn out for an 'electable' candidate (though 'electable' may mean nothing more than a breathing warm body if they are up against Trump.)

Sanders is the only democratic candidate who could actually lose to Trump, simply because the 'socialist' label is still toxic in US politics. (On balance, I think Sanders would win, but 'socialist' remains his weakness.) Warren is every bit as annoying as HRC, but she hasn't had the exposure Clinton had and is not past her 'best before' date. Brown, if nominated, would win in a cakewalk.
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Post by nicole » 21 Mar 2018, 11:30

Ellie wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 11:29
Who is Brown?

So sorry, so ignorant
I assume Jerry?
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Post by Warren » 21 Mar 2018, 11:39

nicole wrote:
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I would have said Sanders was the only one who could beat Trump.
I don't think anyone older than Trump can beat Trump.
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Post by Aresen » 21 Mar 2018, 13:42

Warren wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 11:39
nicole wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 11:30
I would have said Sanders was the only one who could beat Trump.
I don't think anyone older than Trump can beat Trump.
In 2020, the Blue nominee will not face the same antipathy among Blue voters that HRC had. The Blue nominee is not going to have Clinton's problem getting out the vote. That alone will be worth 2% of the popular vote. They will not neglect Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Florida the way Clinton did.

On the Red side, the GOP old boys are fed up with Trump. They won't vote for the Blue nominee, but they will sit on their hands even more than they did in 2016. The hard-core Trumpistas will turn out for him; they may be a majority of the GOP base, but they are not enough, even with the Yellow Dogs voters, to win.

Pennsylvania 18 is a foretaste of this November and November 2020.
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Re: Calling 2020 for Entropy

Post by Mo » 27 Mar 2018, 01:10

Aresen wrote:
Warren wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 10:12
Fin Fang Foom wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 09:22
I think the Dems will win with an incredibly boring human being in 2020. Return to normalcy will be the theme.
I see absolutely no sign that there is any support for that in either party or the electorate. Politics in America is a doughnut.
My gut says team Fin Fang Foom, especially if Trump runs for re-election. By the rules of the game, it should be Sanders, who many feel is 'owed' the nomination in 2020. But the rule book has been shredded. It won't just be the hyper-partisan activists that turn out for the primaries. The mainstream democrats will be motivated and will turn out for an 'electable' candidate (though 'electable' may mean nothing more than a breathing warm body if they are up against Trump.)

Sanders is the only democratic candidate who could actually lose to Trump, simply because the 'socialist' label is still toxic in US politics. (On balance, I think Sanders would win, but 'socialist' remains his weakness.) Warren is every bit as annoying as HRC, but she hasn't had the exposure Clinton had and is not past her 'best before' date. Brown, if nominated, would win in a cakewalk.
Blues typically don’t do turns, unless it’s VPs. That’s typically R behavior. With the exception of W, AuH2O and Trump, every R nominee since Ike has been “due”.
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Re: Calling 2020 for Entropy

Post by Fin Fang Foom » 27 Mar 2018, 12:47

Mo wrote:
27 Mar 2018, 01:10
Aresen wrote:
Warren wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 10:12
Fin Fang Foom wrote:
21 Mar 2018, 09:22
I think the Dems will win with an incredibly boring human being in 2020. Return to normalcy will be the theme.
I see absolutely no sign that there is any support for that in either party or the electorate. Politics in America is a doughnut.
My gut says team Fin Fang Foom, especially if Trump runs for re-election. By the rules of the game, it should be Sanders, who many feel is 'owed' the nomination in 2020. But the rule book has been shredded. It won't just be the hyper-partisan activists that turn out for the primaries. The mainstream democrats will be motivated and will turn out for an 'electable' candidate (though 'electable' may mean nothing more than a breathing warm body if they are up against Trump.)

Sanders is the only democratic candidate who could actually lose to Trump, simply because the 'socialist' label is still toxic in US politics. (On balance, I think Sanders would win, but 'socialist' remains his weakness.) Warren is every bit as annoying as HRC, but she hasn't had the exposure Clinton had and is not past her 'best before' date. Brown, if nominated, would win in a cakewalk.
Blues typically don’t do turns, unless it’s VPs. That’s typically R behavior. With the exception of W, AuH2O and Trump, every R nominee since Ike has been “due”.
Yeah, HRC was an outlier.

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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 27 Mar 2018, 12:51

Sanders is no more "owed" the nomination in 2020 than Eugene McCarthy was after 1968. Obama came out of left field, as it were, but he wasn't a declared non-Democrat with an economic agenda that would make even The Nation go "Now, wait a minute...." At this point, I'd say it's more important for the Dems to be looking for someone in their 50s without a lot of negative baggage than someone with a particular political "vision." Focus groups can tell him or her what to say they believe in later.

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Post by Aresen » 27 Mar 2018, 13:05

D.A. Ridgely wrote:
27 Mar 2018, 12:51
Sanders is no more "owed" the nomination in 2020 than Eugene McCarthy was after 1968. Obama came out of left field, as it were, but he wasn't a declared non-Democrat with an economic agenda that would make even The Nation go "Now, wait a minute...." At this point, I'd say it's more important for the Dems to be looking for someone in their 50s without a lot of negative baggage than someone with a particular political "vision." Focus groups can tell him or her what to say they believe in later.
I think the 'owing' is in the minds of the Sanderistas, have convinced themselves that a) Sanders was 'cheated' of the nomination in 2016 (arguable), b) Sanders would have beaten Trump (possible, possibly not), and c) the Democratic Party needs to move to the left (It's their party, and they might get away with it if the GOP continues to be the Stupid Party).
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Re: Calling 2020 for Entropy

Post by D.A. Ridgely » 27 Mar 2018, 13:11

Aresen wrote:
27 Mar 2018, 13:05
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
27 Mar 2018, 12:51
Sanders is no more "owed" the nomination in 2020 than Eugene McCarthy was after 1968. Obama came out of left field, as it were, but he wasn't a declared non-Democrat with an economic agenda that would make even The Nation go "Now, wait a minute...." At this point, I'd say it's more important for the Dems to be looking for someone in their 50s without a lot of negative baggage than someone with a particular political "vision." Focus groups can tell him or her what to say they believe in later.
I think the 'owing' is in the minds of the Sanderistas, have convinced themselves that a) Sanders was 'cheated' of the nomination in 2016 (arguable), b) Sanders would have beaten Trump (possible, possibly not), and c) the Democratic Party needs to move to the left (It's their party, and they might get away with it if the GOP continues to be the Stupid Party).
I recognize you put scare quotes around "owed" in the first place. My point is less, in fact not at all to disagree with that but to note that the contemporary Democratic Party is no more the party of anything smacking of outright socialism than the Republican Party is really the party of fiscal restraint and is even more resistant to outsider candidates than, obviously, the Republicans. Being a career Democrat is a badge of pride in the Democratic Party, while Republicans must still at least pretend they'd rather be running businesses or playing golf at the country club.

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Re: Calling 2020 for Entropy

Post by Mo » 27 Mar 2018, 13:42

Aresen wrote:
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
27 Mar 2018, 12:51
Sanders is no more "owed" the nomination in 2020 than Eugene McCarthy was after 1968. Obama came out of left field, as it were, but he wasn't a declared non-Democrat with an economic agenda that would make even The Nation go "Now, wait a minute...." At this point, I'd say it's more important for the Dems to be looking for someone in their 50s without a lot of negative baggage than someone with a particular political "vision." Focus groups can tell him or her what to say they believe in later.
I think the 'owing' is in the minds of the Sanderistas, have convinced themselves that a) Sanders was 'cheated' of the nomination in 2016 (arguable), b) Sanders would have beaten Trump (possible, possibly not), and c) the Democratic Party needs to move to the left (It's their party, and they might get away with it if the GOP continues to be the Stupid Party).
Most of Sanders constituents were not-Hillary peeps. That’s why his current support is far below his 2016 support.
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