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It's amazing how destructive libertarians are considering our lack of actual influence in the halls of power.
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Weak yet all powerful is a thing for people when describing someone they disagree with on issues.
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Goes like - it can’t be us that’s wrong. It can be them cheating or using lies to dupe people, but it definitely can’t be them with a compelling message. So, if it’s not us and it’s not them it must be an outsider influence. Russia, libertarians, whatever.

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Classical liberalism is good except when it allows gays to marry or skinheads to march in the streets.
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Eric the .5b wrote:
26 Nov 2019, 21:16
And some of this flailing is not too far from the left-wing's flailing. Somehow, classical liberalism causes everything to go wrong, at least when it disagrees with the speaker.
Yeah, I was just thinking I'd heard almost the exact same complaint from leftists: too much freedom of speech is bad because people with bad views, like neo-nazis, get it too. Stuff like this really makes me want to taunt people with "A Nolan chart says what?"
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JD wrote:
27 Nov 2019, 10:59
Eric the .5b wrote:
26 Nov 2019, 21:16
And some of this flailing is not too far from the left-wing's flailing. Somehow, classical liberalism causes everything to go wrong, at least when it disagrees with the speaker.
Yeah, I was just thinking I'd heard almost the exact same complaint from leftists: too much freedom of speech is bad because people with bad views, like neo-nazis, get it too. Stuff like this really makes me want to taunt people with "A Nolan chart says what?"
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Nolan chart? *googles* oh.
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Pham Nuwen wrote:
27 Nov 2019, 11:18
Nolan chart? *googles* oh.
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Warren wrote:
27 Nov 2019, 11:22
Pham Nuwen wrote:
27 Nov 2019, 11:18
Nolan chart? *googles* oh.
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Ha - I was going to make almost exactly the same comment.
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The Kling 3 axes is a great improvement on the nolan chart.

https://www.cato-unbound.org/2019/11/08 ... -discourse

The Three-Axes Model

Consider three words: oppression, barbarism, coercion. Oppression occurs when one group in society is abused by a more powerful group. Examples include slavery in the United States and Jim Crow segregation. Barbarism occurs when people engage in engage in acts that were once common but now seem abhorrent. Examples include torture, rape, and pillage. . Coercion occurs when people do something not voluntarily but under threat of violence. Examples include paying taxes. All three words have negative connotations. We are against all of them.

But progressives, conservatives, and libertarians differ in their preferences for framing issues. Progressives often describe political life as a moral struggle against oppression, in which people with other points of view are on the side of the oppressors. Conservatives often describe political life as a moral struggle to preserve civilization, in which people with other points of view are on the side of barbarism. Libertarians often describe political life as a moral struggle to preserve liberty, in which people with other points of view are on the side of coercive government power.

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JD wrote:
27 Nov 2019, 11:27
Warren wrote:
27 Nov 2019, 11:22
Pham Nuwen wrote:
27 Nov 2019, 11:18
Nolan chart? *googles* oh.
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Ha - I was going to make almost exactly the same comment.
I vaguely recall this chart many moons ago in regards to my reason days. I cant remember everything, guys.
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Seeing a shithead advisor for shithead Kemp tell off Gaetz was pretty amusing.
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Pham Nuwen wrote:
30 Nov 2019, 01:51
Seeing a shithead advisor for shithead Kemp tell off Gaetz was pretty amusing.
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I already made piece with that warren
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I will not accept a world in which Trump gets a full term and Firefly doesn't even get a full season.

Fox could, if they wanted, do something about this.
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Pham Nuwen wrote:
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I already made piece with that warren
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Goddammit! I pulled a warren!
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Hugh Akston wrote:
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I feel like there might be a strong correlation between that chart and the one showing how many Republican voters can name even one verifiable fact about each of the listed presidents.
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I'm curious how they got those answers.

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Painboy wrote:
02 Dec 2019, 23:12
I'm curious how they got those answers.
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I'm sure more living Republicans would have ranked Lincoln more highly if it weren't for that pesky Emancipation Proclamation and 13th Amendment.

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D.A. Ridgely wrote:
03 Dec 2019, 00:00
I'm sure more living Republicans would have ranked Lincoln more highly if it weren't for that pesky Emancipation Proclamation and 13th Amendment.
Refusing to abandon Fort Sumter was also problematic.
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Aresen wrote:
03 Dec 2019, 00:12
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
03 Dec 2019, 00:00
I'm sure more living Republicans would have ranked Lincoln more highly if it weren't for that pesky Emancipation Proclamation and 13th Amendment.
Refusing to abandon Fort Sumter was also problematic.
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