Brexit: what say ye?

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Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Post by Mo » 28 Mar 2019, 18:55

The thing I don’t get is how Corbyn still leads Labour. He’s basically the only thing preventing Labour from taking control of Commons and yet he remains their standard bearer. It’s like making Bernie Sanders less charismatic, anti-Semitic twin be your representative.
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Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Post by Jadagul » 28 Mar 2019, 23:16

Yeah. The degree to which (1) everyone involved in this is a fuckup an (2) everyone involved in this is hated is pretty impressive.

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Post by Aresen » 28 Mar 2019, 23:23

Mo wrote:
28 Mar 2019, 18:55
The thing I don’t get is how Corbyn still leads Labour. He’s basically the only thing preventing Labour from taking control of Commons and yet he remains their standard bearer. It’s like making Bernie Sanders less charismatic, anti-Semitic twin be your representative.
Corbyn and his hard left cadre have taken control of Labour like the Paleo-right have taken control of the GOP. Even if Corbyn goes to the Great Worker's Paradise in the Sky, there is no way they will allow a moderate to take the leadership of Labour. They are conducting a slow purge of anyone who's 'soft.'
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Post by Aresen » 29 Mar 2019, 12:07

Makes me think of the old saw about stupidity being 'asking the same question and expecting a different answer.'

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Post by Jennifer » 29 Mar 2019, 18:46

Possibly useful article from Slate, summarizing the Brexit mess this far.

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/201 ... e-how.html
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Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Post by Mo » 01 Apr 2019, 04:43

So now May is considering asking the Queen to step in. I think it's pretty safe to say that when you've fucked up so bad that you're considering bringing in a ceremonial monarch to solve your problem, you're in way over your head.
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Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Post by JasonL » 01 Apr 2019, 07:46

I heard when Progressive fucks up a big actuarial assumption they call Flo.

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Post by Aresen » 01 Apr 2019, 09:02

Mo wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 04:43
So now May is considering asking the Queen to step in. I think it's pretty safe to say that when you've fucked up so bad that you're considering bringing in a ceremonial monarch to solve your problem, you're in way over your head.
OTOH, cutting off a few heads might be cathartic.
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Post by Warren » 01 Apr 2019, 11:09

But the Queen? In what capacity is she even capable of stepping in? I bet they're doing the Weekend at Bernie's thing with her.
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Post by Aresen » 01 Apr 2019, 11:21

Warren wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 11:09
But the Queen? In what capacity is she even capable of stepping in? I bet they're doing the Weekend at Bernie's thing with her.
Honestly, I have no idea. About the only thing the queen can do is summon all the party leaders and ask them to form a coalition government.

(I was surprised when May wasn't forced to resign when she lost the first Brexit vote back in January. In a Westminster-style parliament, losing an important vote like that is considered a vote of 'no confidence' and the PM has to go to the monarch (or Governor-General in Canada) and offer her/his resignation.)
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Post by Mo » 01 Apr 2019, 11:24

Warren wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 11:09
But the Queen? In what capacity is she even capable of stepping in? I bet they're doing the Weekend at Bernie's thing with her.
Technically, the monarch has veto power, so if Parliament did a soft Brexit (customs union) end around May, she could ask the queen not to give assent and throw the whole country into a full blown constitutional crisis.
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Post by Aresen » 01 Apr 2019, 11:30

Mo wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 11:24
Warren wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 11:09
But the Queen? In what capacity is she even capable of stepping in? I bet they're doing the Weekend at Bernie's thing with her.
Technically, the monarch has veto power, so if Parliament did a soft Brexit (customs union) end around May, she could ask the queen not to give assent and throw the whole country into a full blown constitutional crisis.
IIRC my high school history class, the last time it was used was in the reign of Queen Anne - 300 years ago. Liz Deux is considered something of an expert on the unwritten English constitution and I am pretty sure she does not want to put her hand into that basket of snakes.
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Post by Mo » 01 Apr 2019, 12:02

NFW Liz Dos does it, but the fact the Tories are even considering it shows how much they fucked this up.
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Post by Warren » 01 Apr 2019, 12:30

Mo wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 11:24
Warren wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 11:09
But the Queen? In what capacity is she even capable of stepping in? I bet they're doing the Weekend at Bernie's thing with her.
Technically, the monarch has veto power, so if Parliament did a soft Brexit (customs union) end around May, she could ask the queen not to give assent and throw the whole country into a full blown constitutional crisis.
I'm not questioning what options are open, I'm questioning the incontinent old bat's ability to execute any of them.
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Post by thoreau » 01 Apr 2019, 12:32

Here's an easy way for the UK to get an instant customs and regulatory union with the US: Theresa May just has to gloatingly tell Trump that the UK totally got one over on the US in the Treaty of Paris. He'll tear it up and boom! The UK has 50 new colonies in North America.
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Post by Kolohe » 01 Apr 2019, 17:41

I could plausibly see Queen Elizabeth doing something big and unusual to reset everything, then abdicating the throne to her son.
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Post by dhex » 01 Apr 2019, 18:17

Kolohe wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 17:41
I could plausibly see Queen Elizabeth doing something big and unusual to reset everything, then abdicating the throne to her son.
Plot twist is very 2019 as well.
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Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Post by Mo » 01 Apr 2019, 18:18

Warren wrote:
Mo wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 11:24
Warren wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 11:09
But the Queen? In what capacity is she even capable of stepping in? I bet they're doing the Weekend at Bernie's thing with her.
Technically, the monarch has veto power, so if Parliament did a soft Brexit (customs union) end around May, she could ask the queen not to give assent and throw the whole country into a full blown constitutional crisis.
I'm not questioning what options are open, I'm questioning the incontinent old bat's ability to execute any of them.
Their incoherent nonagenarian is more coherent than our septuagenarian.
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Post by thoreau » 01 Apr 2019, 18:47

First, if the Queen did pull off a plot twist, it would be with considerable guidance from a whole host of councilors, including the PM. So the success or failure of any Queen's Gambit has less to do with her mental acuity and more to do with Theresa May's political savvy.

In other words, it won't work.

Second, any Royal intervention into Brexit would further undermine whatever legitimacy monarchy retains in the UK. Handing the throne to Charles would not help.

Handing it to William, OTOH...

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Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Post by Mo » 01 Apr 2019, 18:54

thoreau wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 18:47
First, if the Queen did pull off a plot twist, it would be with considerable guidance from a whole host of councilors, including the PM. So the success or failure of any Queen's Gambit has less to do with her mental acuity and more to do with Theresa May's political savvy.
I mean Labour could step up to bat being led by that savvy operator Jeremy Corby....

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Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Post by Aresen » 01 Apr 2019, 19:12

November 5th is so far away...
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Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Post by Pham Nuwen » 01 Apr 2019, 20:56

So I am to understand there will be no ceremonial decapitations? No everyone watching their feet then slowly shuffling up to the queen for a photo while the blood still runs on her sword?
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Post by thoreau » 01 Apr 2019, 20:58

Many people would probably be happy to offer up much of Parliament for said decapitations, but Her Majesty is said to respect British law, which disallows capital punishment.

'Tis a pity.
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Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Post by Number 6 » 01 Apr 2019, 22:54

thoreau wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 20:58
Many people would probably be happy to offer up much of Parliament for said decapitations, but Her Majesty is said to respect British law, which disallows capital punishment.

'Tis a pity.
It's not illegal if the Queen does it.
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Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Post by Pham Nuwen » 01 Apr 2019, 22:58

Number 6 wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 22:54
thoreau wrote:
01 Apr 2019, 20:58
Many people would probably be happy to offer up much of Parliament for said decapitations, but Her Majesty is said to respect British law, which disallows capital punishment.

'Tis a pity.
It's not illegal if the Queen does it.
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