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Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 21 Jan 2018, 12:23
by Aresen
That looks more anti-Brexit than pro-Brexit.

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 15 Jan 2019, 22:01
by Aresen
This MAY get interesting.
The United Kingdom is in crisis after Members of Parliament soundly rejected a withdrawal deal with the European Union and threw the government’s Brexit plan into chaos.

The clock is now ticking as Prime Minister Theresa May scrambles for a way out of the Brexit impasse while facing a confidence vote in her government.

The defeat on Tuesday by 432 to 202 dealt a humiliating blow to Ms. May, who saw 118 of her Conservative Party colleagues vote against the agreement, which also included a framework for future trade negotiations. It is the largest Parliamentary defeat for a British government since 1924. The result means that with just 11 weeks to go before the March 29 deadline for Britain to leave the EU, the government is no closer to reaching arrangements with the EU on issues including trade, border controls, transportation and financial services.
May is toast. So, I think, is Britain.

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 15 Jan 2019, 23:09
by Warren
Aresen wrote:
15 Jan 2019, 22:01
This MAY get interesting.
The United Kingdom is in crisis after Members of Parliament soundly rejected a withdrawal deal with the European Union and threw the government’s Brexit plan into chaos.

The clock is now ticking as Prime Minister Theresa May scrambles for a way out of the Brexit impasse while facing a confidence vote in her government.

The defeat on Tuesday by 432 to 202 dealt a humiliating blow to Ms. May, who saw 118 of her Conservative Party colleagues vote against the agreement, which also included a framework for future trade negotiations. It is the largest Parliamentary defeat for a British government since 1924. The result means that with just 11 weeks to go before the March 29 deadline for Britain to leave the EU, the government is no closer to reaching arrangements with the EU on issues including trade, border controls, transportation and financial services.
May is toast. So, I think, is Britain.
Britain will fare better than the EU.

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 17 Jan 2019, 18:20
by Mo
Harsh but true.


Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 17 Jan 2019, 18:26
by Aresen
Are we talking May or the UK or both? :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 17 Jan 2019, 18:30
by Mo
The UK. I feel bad for May and think she’s done about a good a job as she can do with the shitty hand she got dealt. When you’re sitting at the table with an off suit 2 and 6, there’s not much you can do.

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 17 Jan 2019, 19:19
by Aresen
I'd go with both. I don't think she could have gotten a better deal* from Europe, but she handled the politics of it so ineptly (see the 2017 general election) that she made last Tuesday's defeat almost inevitable.

*I know we talked about it earlier and I know Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage and Jacob Rees-Mogg are total nincompoops, but the fact that Brexit was going to be a shit sandwich is why I preferred that one of them was in 10 Downing Street so they would be the ones who had to eat it.

Now, we're going to have Corbyn as PM no later than 2022 (or one of his hard-left Labour group if Corbyn dies).

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 29 Jan 2019, 18:15
by Mo
Nom nom on the salty game tears of retirees voting for Leave losing their free health care in warm parts of Europe.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eal-brexit

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 29 Jan 2019, 22:12
by Pham Nuwen
Mo wrote:
29 Jan 2019, 18:15
Nom nom on the salty game tears of retirees voting for Leave losing their free health care in warm parts of Europe.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... eal-brexit
https://twitter.com/cavalorn/status/654 ... 36?lang=en

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 13 Mar 2019, 20:20
by Aresen
So, the UK Parliament rejected May's second Brexit deal yesterday.

Today, they voted to reject a 'no deal' Brexit:

British lawmakers vote against no-deal Brexit as EU divorce looms

What magic unicorn do they think will get them out of this mess?

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 13 Mar 2019, 21:58
by D.A. Ridgely
I, for one, look forward to my budget vacation in the UK when the pound plummets below the dollar.

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 13 Mar 2019, 22:11
by Pham Nuwen
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
13 Mar 2019, 21:58
I, for one, look forward to my budget vacation in the UK when the pound plummets below the dollar.
Downside is you will still be surrounded by the English.

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 08:31
by Mo
Aresen wrote:
13 Mar 2019, 20:20
So, the UK Parliament rejected May's second Brexit deal yesterday.

Today, they voted to reject a 'no deal' Brexit:

British lawmakers vote against no-deal Brexit as EU divorce looms

What magic unicorn do they think will get them out of this mess?
Hopefully stall until I move out.

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 14:40
by lunchstealer
Mo wrote:
14 Mar 2019, 08:31
Aresen wrote:
13 Mar 2019, 20:20
So, the UK Parliament rejected May's second Brexit deal yesterday.

Today, they voted to reject a 'no deal' Brexit:

British lawmakers vote against no-deal Brexit as EU divorce looms

What magic unicorn do they think will get them out of this mess?
Hopefully stall until I move out.
How long before your next parole hearing?

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 17:01
by Mo
June 2020

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 14 Mar 2019, 17:47
by Aresen
This could go in the "Orange is the New President" thread as well:

Donald Trump: Theresa May ‘didn’t listen’ to me on Brexit
U.S. President Donald Trump said Theresa May "didn't listen" to his ideas on how to negotiate Brexit, and a second vote on EU membership would be "very unfair to the people that won."

Trump was speaking in Washington on Thursday alongside Irish Prime Minister Leo Varadkar, who is in the U.S for St. Patrick's Day celebrations.


The U.S. president said he "predicted it [Brexit] was going to happen and I was right and people laughed when I predicted it and they won by about two points."

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 10:47
by Aresen
Looks like Theresa May will have to fall on her sword to get the Brexit deal through Parliament.

From Cameron's decision to hold the vote while saying it would be non-binding to May's election call in 2017 to the dunderheaded posturing of all sides, it looks like they may finally get a Brexit at the last possible moment.

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 11:39
by Shem
If they're stupid enough to believe her if she says she'll quit in exchange, they deserve what they get.

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 12:52
by Mo
Mexit means mexit.

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 18:48
by Mo
I take back every nice thing I’ve ever said about Theresa May. Ellie, can we delete the archives?

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 19:30
by Jennifer
Mo wrote:
27 Mar 2019, 18:48
I take back every nice thing I’ve ever said about Theresa May.
Why? From what [little] I have read about the matter, it doesn't seem like she'd have any hope of accomplishing anything useful if she stayed where she is; seems like stepping down and hoping her replacement might have better luck is her best option at this point (assuming she genuinely wants what is "best for Britain" re: this Brexit nonsense).

Apparently her defeat in that Brexit vote made Parliamentary history for "loss by greatest margin" or something along those lines?

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 27 Mar 2019, 21:26
by Aresen
Jennifer wrote:
27 Mar 2019, 19:30
Mo wrote:
27 Mar 2019, 18:48
I take back every nice thing I’ve ever said about Theresa May.
Why? From what [little] I have read about the matter, it doesn't seem like she'd have any hope of accomplishing anything useful if she stayed where she is; seems like stepping down and hoping her replacement might have better luck is her best option at this point (assuming she genuinely wants what is "best for Britain" re: this Brexit nonsense).

Apparently her defeat in that Brexit vote made Parliamentary history for "loss by greatest margin" or something along those lines?
What Jennifer said plus nobody was going to find a way to have a 'good' Brexit.

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 28 Mar 2019, 05:21
by Mo
Aresen wrote:
27 Mar 2019, 21:26
Jennifer wrote:
27 Mar 2019, 19:30
Mo wrote:
27 Mar 2019, 18:48
I take back every nice thing I’ve ever said about Theresa May.
Why? From what [little] I have read about the matter, it doesn't seem like she'd have any hope of accomplishing anything useful if she stayed where she is; seems like stepping down and hoping her replacement might have better luck is her best option at this point (assuming she genuinely wants what is "best for Britain" re: this Brexit nonsense).

Apparently her defeat in that Brexit vote made Parliamentary history for "loss by greatest margin" or something along those lines?
What Jennifer said plus nobody was going to find a way to have a 'good' Brexit.
Sure, but even with the shit sandwich she was served, she did a lot of stupid things. No one forced her to submit Article 50 without having a framework of plans that Parliament would agree to. No one forced her to hold a snap election that weakened her power and leverage. Also, no one made her go and berate Parliament and try to push blame from herself to them, pissing them off right before they went to vote on her proposal. She was in a bad situation, but managed to make it worse.

Re: Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 28 Mar 2019, 14:49
by Jennifer
Mo wrote:
28 Mar 2019, 05:21
Aresen wrote:
27 Mar 2019, 21:26
Jennifer wrote:
27 Mar 2019, 19:30
Mo wrote:
27 Mar 2019, 18:48
I take back every nice thing I’ve ever said about Theresa May.
Why? From what [little] I have read about the matter, it doesn't seem like she'd have any hope of accomplishing anything useful if she stayed where she is; seems like stepping down and hoping her replacement might have better luck is her best option at this point (assuming she genuinely wants what is "best for Britain" re: this Brexit nonsense).

Apparently her defeat in that Brexit vote made Parliamentary history for "loss by greatest margin" or something along those lines?
What Jennifer said plus nobody was going to find a way to have a 'good' Brexit.
Sure, but even with the shit sandwich she was served, she did a lot of stupid things. No one forced her to submit Article 50 without having a framework of plans that Parliament would agree to. No one forced her to hold a snap election that weakened her power and leverage. Also, no one made her go and berate Parliament and try to push blame from herself to them, pissing them off right before they went to vote on her proposal. She was in a bad situation, but managed to make it worse.
Oh, I agree with all that. I'm just surprised that, of all the bonehead things she's done, it's her stepping down that made you rescind any previous sympathy you tossed her way. Or was it simply a straw breaking the camel's back thing?

Brexit: what say ye?

Posted: 28 Mar 2019, 14:52
by Mo
Stepping down wasn’t even the thing. It’s just all the stupid stunts the past 2 weeks. There were a lot of straws recently.