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Re: Our Friends, The House of Saud

Post by Aresen » 06 Oct 2018, 20:03

Mo wrote:
06 Oct 2018, 19:25
So he wasn’t kidnapped.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/mi ... story.html
The Saudis say he left a few minutes after he entered. They don't mention whether he was alive or dead when he left.
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Re: Our Friends, The House of Saud

Post by Warren » 07 Oct 2018, 00:16

lunchstealer wrote:
06 Oct 2018, 19:39
Fuck. I just saw that. Shit.

Well, it's not truly confirmed that he was killed and they might still have kidnapped him so there can be this shitstorm and then he can pop up in KSA and say, "I was not kidnapped. I came to Saudi Arabia of my own free will. I have nothing more to say at this time." The Sauds still get the chilling effect on dissent, but also get cover from diplomatic retaliation.

But there's no 'good' outcome from this.
Anything that sours our relations with THOS has at least that going for it.
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Re: Our Friends, The House of Saud

Post by Mo » 07 Oct 2018, 06:31

This administration DGAF about this stuff.
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Post by Kolohe » 07 Oct 2018, 10:12

lunchstealer wrote:
06 Oct 2018, 19:39
Fuck. I just saw that. Shit.

Well, it's not truly confirmed that he was killed and they might still have kidnapped him so there can be this shitstorm and then he can pop up in KSA and say, "I was not kidnapped. I came to Saudi Arabia of my own free will. I have nothing more to say at this time." The Sauds still get the chilling effect on dissent, but also get cover from diplomatic retaliation.

But there's no 'good' outcome from this.
A good outcome would be showing up at his own death press conference, like that one guy who faked his assassination did.

But I don't think it's very likely.
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Post by Aresen » 07 Oct 2018, 10:36

Mo wrote:
07 Oct 2018, 06:31
This administration DGAF about this stuff.
True, but I don't think any recent administration would have gone beyond 'tut-tut' (if that.)
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Re: Our Friends, The House of Saud

Post by Kolohe » 07 Oct 2018, 10:40

I think the Saudis wouldn't be so fucking brazen were it not for Trump specifically in the White House.
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Kolohe wrote:
07 Oct 2018, 10:40
I think the Saudis wouldn't be so fucking brazen were it not for Trump specifically in the White House.
Why do you think that?
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Post by thoreau » 07 Oct 2018, 14:10

Trump might invite CNN reporters to a reception at a consulate.
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Re: Our Friends, The House of Saud

Post by Mo » 07 Oct 2018, 15:03

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Kolohe wrote:
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I think the Saudis wouldn't be so fucking brazen were it not for Trump specifically in the White House.
Why do you think that?
KSA was pretty pissed at the Obama admin for holding their feet to the fire, relatively speaking.
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Post by Warren » 07 Oct 2018, 15:07

Mo wrote:
07 Oct 2018, 15:03
Warren wrote:
Kolohe wrote:
07 Oct 2018, 10:40
I think the Saudis wouldn't be so fucking brazen were it not for Trump specifically in the White House.
Why do you think that?
KSA was pretty pissed at the Obama admin for holding their feet to the fire, relatively speaking.
Right. They certainly weren't any less brazen.
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Post by Mo » 07 Oct 2018, 15:42

KSA has been loads more brazen. Pot ejemplo, there is zero chance the Obama state department stays silent when the Canadian ambassador gets expelled.
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Post by Aresen » 07 Oct 2018, 16:46

Mo wrote:
07 Oct 2018, 15:42
KSA has been loads more brazen. Pot ejemplo, there is zero chance the Obama state department stays silent when the Canadian ambassador gets expelled.
Possibly, possibly not. We'll never know.

Has BHO spoken out on any international or diplomatic issue since leaving office?
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Re: Our Friends, The House of Saud

Post by lunchstealer » 07 Oct 2018, 16:58

Aresen wrote:
07 Oct 2018, 16:46
Mo wrote:
07 Oct 2018, 15:42
KSA has been loads more brazen. Pot ejemplo, there is zero chance the Obama state department stays silent when the Canadian ambassador gets expelled.
Possibly, possibly not. We'll never know.

Has BHO spoken out on any international or diplomatic issue since leaving office?
I've only heard of him speaking publicly maybe twice since then.

But Trump's state department has explicitly moved humanitarian, war crimes, etc, down the priority list and as such I doubt they'll so much as peep about this. As long as HOS/KSA reps keep fluffing Trump, he will see it as a sign of strength and at best handwave it away, and at worst 'joke' about how we should do that, too.
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Post by Aresen » 07 Oct 2018, 17:34

lunchstealer wrote:
07 Oct 2018, 16:58
Aresen wrote:
07 Oct 2018, 16:46
Mo wrote:
07 Oct 2018, 15:42
KSA has been loads more brazen. Pot ejemplo, there is zero chance the Obama state department stays silent when the Canadian ambassador gets expelled.
Possibly, possibly not. We'll never know.

Has BHO spoken out on any international or diplomatic issue since leaving office?
I've only heard of him speaking publicly maybe twice since then.

But Trump's state department has explicitly moved humanitarian, war crimes, etc, down the priority list and as such I doubt they'll so much as peep about this. As long as HOS/KSA reps keep fluffing Trump, he will see it as a sign of strength and at best handwave it away, and at worst 'joke' about how we should do that, too.
Trump is a chickenhawk thug, no doubt. But I am dubious that any US administration would be much better, at least where 'strategic partners' were concerned.
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Re: Our Friends, The House of Saud

Post by Mo » 07 Oct 2018, 18:53

Aresen wrote:
07 Oct 2018, 16:46
Mo wrote:
07 Oct 2018, 15:42
KSA has been loads more brazen. Pot ejemplo, there is zero chance the Obama state department stays silent when the Canadian ambassador gets expelled.
Possibly, possibly not. We'll never know.

Has BHO spoken out on any international or diplomatic issue since leaving office?
He spoke out against strongman politics at the Mandela 100th anniversary thing. Some of it was a dig at Trump, but he went further afield.
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Re: Our Friends, The House of Saud

Post by Kolohe » 07 Oct 2018, 20:16

The entire point of the right side of this graph is to tell the Saudis and the rest of the GCC to go pound their copious sand.
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Post by nicole » 08 Oct 2018, 07:17

Turkey say they murdered him in the consulate and are asking permission to search it. Surprising.
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Re: Our Friends, The House of Saud

Post by Dangerman » 08 Oct 2018, 09:57

I was surprised, but I don't think any nation wants that kind of disrespect for their sovereignty. Turkey may have learned from the fooferaw in DC that people actually care about these kind of diplomatic issues, and they still get far more support from the West than they do from the Saudis.

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Re: Our Friends, The House of Saud

Post by thoreau » 08 Oct 2018, 10:57

Why would Erdogan care about the murder of a journalist?
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Re: Our Friends, The House of Saud

Post by Painboy » 08 Oct 2018, 12:57

thoreau wrote:
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Why would Erdogan care about the murder of a journalist?
Because he didn't order it.

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Re: Our Friends, The House of Saud

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Painboy wrote:
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thoreau wrote:
08 Oct 2018, 10:57
Why would Erdogan care about the murder of a journalist?
Because he didn't order it.
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Re: Our Friends, The House of Saud

Post by lunchstealer » 08 Oct 2018, 16:21

Also Erdogan wants Turkey to be king shit of the southwest Asian fuck mountain.
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Re: Our Friends, The House of Saud

Post by thoreau » 08 Oct 2018, 16:26

I can only imagine the conversations in the White House as State Department civil servants try to get Trump to care that a WaPo writer has gone missing.
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Re: Our Friends, The House of Saud

Post by Aresen » 08 Oct 2018, 16:49

thoreau wrote:
08 Oct 2018, 16:26
I can only imagine the conversations in the White House as State Department civil servants try to get Trump to care that a WaPo writer has gone missing.
OTOH, I can just imagine Mattis and Pompeo trying to stop Trump from tweeting that 'Khashoggi had it coming.'
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Re: Our Friends, The House of Saud

Post by Mo » 10 Oct 2018, 18:51

Looks like the White House knee shit was going down.

https://observer.com/2018/10/nsa-source ... gi-danger/
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