fyodor wrote: ↑
18 Aug 2017, 18:16
Jennifer wrote: ↑
18 Aug 2017, 17:56
fyodor wrote: ↑
18 Aug 2017, 11:25
Don't know where the best place is for this, but...
Can anyone explain to me what the neo-Nazis/Confederates/white supremacists in Charlottesville meant when they were chanting, "We won't be replaced by Jews"? (If not the exact correct wording, pretty close. Definitely included "replaced".)
Are they worried about Jewish pod people? Jews taking their jerbs? The latter seems unlikely as everyone knows Jews are all bankers and media moguls.
I guess maybe Jews just taking over the country? That just seems like a weird way to express that. Not that these folks are anything if not weird, but still, seems "We won't be ruled by Jews" would make a whole lotta more sense for that. Why are they worried about Jews "replacing"
Maybe Jennifer knows, through her observations of dem folks?
Anything these people dislike about modern society is the fault of the Jews.
Oh, well I get the it's all the fault of the Jews
part. I was just baffled about the "replacement" thing per se.
According to proponents of "white genocide," this does NOT actually entail "Murdering white people"; simply making the population not-majority-white is enough. Or taking certain rights which used to be exclusively for whites, and administering them to all people. After Randian came out of the racist closet and started re-tweeting memes such as "Diversity is code for get rid of whites" -- yeah, the white-genociders actually believe this. (For that matter, Nicole and I are actively engaged in "white genocide" -- because we are white women who could
make white babies, but are not doing so.) Anytime you see a white woman with a non-white husband -- that's white genocide. When Jim Crow ended, and seats on the bus became first-come, first-served rather than the old status quo of "White passengers are guaranteed a seat, even if it means a black passenger must give up theirs" -- that's white genocide too. No joke.
Have you heard the saying "When you're used to preferential treatment, equal treatment feels like oppression?" There's some of that behind the "fear of replacement," too.
Blaming immigrants or immigration policy would make more sense to me than "Jews" or "you". Weird, but I think I'm getting what why they're chanting that, anyway.
And -- going back to the fairy-tale devil of certain fundamentalist Christians -- blaming things like "Human greed and selfishness" makes more sense than blaming "the devil," if you're trying to figure out where certain forms of injustice and oppression come from. And yet -- it's all the devil. Or, regarding certain feminist attitudes -- suggesting "women were genuinely tired of being at the mercy of abusive husbands" makes more sense than blaming "the Jews" to explain why certain women back in the day advocated things like "property rights for married women" and "laws banning wife-beating." Thinking "women with jobs are genuinely sick of their horny old bosses chasing them around their desk" makes more sense than blaming "the Jews" to explain why certain women promoted anti-sexual-harassment laws -- yet "the Jews" got the blame for all this. Those dastardly Jews, brainwashing us women into wanting personal autonomy!
I mentioned Randian already -- in retrospect, it's really not surprising that he
should be the one member of the Gryll to go full-fledged pro-Trump alt-right. Consider: remember his common rhetorical technique which boiled down to "I can say any damned thing I like, be as rude, dishonest or insulting as I please to anyone I wish -- but if you so much as tell me to knock it off, let alone point out how what I'm saying on this thread now contradicts what I said on that other thread yesterday, that's an unfair ad hominem attack on me and my character?"
That really is the attitude behind such people as the Charlottesville Nazis -- I can do or say whatever I want, I have the right to DEMAND everything be exactly as I want it... and I am genuinely being oppressed and victimized by the suggestion that other people might have rights I need to honor in turn. I can be shrilly rude to you, but you'd better not be disrespectful back. You have no RIGHT to be. Thus, women can't possibly have sincere, self-interested, rational reasons to say "Hey, we should vote too, we should be allowed to own property, we shouldn't have to fight off our bosses' pawing hands at work..." no, it had to be The Jews or The Devil or someone putting evil ideas into our heads.
Why? Because if I have the right to demand "Keep your hands off me, asshole," that suggests you
have the obligation to keep your hands off me even if you don't want to.
If your wife has the right to earn and spend her own money rather than hand every penny over to you, that means you are NOT entitled to control her entire financial life. If your wife has the right to refuse sex (anti-marital rape laws), that means you are NOT entitled to demand sex from her any second of the day. If she can have you arrested for wife-beating, that means YOU lack the right to beat her up if you wish. Et cetera. Or, if your next-door neighbor has the right to sell his house to a black family, that means you do NOT have the right to demand all-white neighbors. And these Nazi-types can't process the thought that other people might actually have the right to not do every damned thing the Nazis want them to do, and refrain from doing what the Nazis don't want them to do. Blaming the Jews or the devil is easier and simpler than considering "Maybe I really ought to look at the issue from my opponent's side, maybe some white women genuinely fall in love with non-white men, maybe that sexy woman I desire genuinely has the right
to not-want sex with me..."
"Myself, despite what they say about libertarians, I think we're actually allowed to pursue options beyond futility or sucking the dicks of the powerful." -- Eric the .5b