Putin on the Writs

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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by thoreau » 28 Oct 2018, 21:08

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Post by Pham Nuwen » 29 Oct 2018, 00:02

Boooooo!!!! Now I have to find and watch that episode again!
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Post by Kolohe » 29 Oct 2018, 00:08

I don't know if I knew T was on that show. But now I know which episode he was on (though I can't find any pics or video on line)
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Taktix® » 14 Nov 2018, 13:18

Ok, so I know you guys say I shouldn't be concerned about threats from Russia, but what I am supposed to make of these:

Russian military interfered with GPS signals during NATO war games

U.S. faces worst national security crisis in decades, commission warns

And let's not forget those weird sonic attacks on our embassies in Cuba and China. Could not one piece together that Russia is testing new weapons for some future war?
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Warren » 14 Nov 2018, 16:25

Taktix® wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 13:18
Ok, so I know you guys say I shouldn't be concerned about threats from Russia, but what I am supposed to make of these:

Russian military interfered with GPS signals during NATO war games
That Russia is lame and impotent.
That the military industrial complex consistently and prodigiously overstates the threat to national security
And let's not forget those weird sonic attacks on our embassies in Cuba and China. Could not one piece together that Russia is testing new weapons for some future war?
We can safely forget it, see above.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by lunchstealer » 14 Nov 2018, 16:59

Taktix® wrote:
14 Nov 2018, 13:18
Ok, so I know you guys say I shouldn't be concerned about threats from Russia, but what I am supposed to make of these:

Russian military interfered with GPS signals during NATO war games

U.S. faces worst national security crisis in decades, commission warns

And let's not forget those weird sonic attacks on our embassies in Cuba and China. Could not one piece together that Russia is testing new weapons for some future war?
I think Warren's dismissal of both Putin and Trump and the damage they can do to liberal democracy to be foolish and poorly analyzed, but he's not wrong about this stuff. The Russians have been working on creating spoof fake GPS sat signals and other stuff for decades, and there's really no reason for them not to nor to expect them not to. That's pretty small potatoes as military potatoes go.

You're too young to remember all the breathless 'analysis' of the supercapabilities of Soviet technology that meant we had to spend terrabucks on nifty new systems in every congressman's district to counter them. Hyping Russian weapons systems is a grand Cold War tradition and it's nostalgic to see it brought back.

And I'm 99% certain that the sonic attack thing has been more-or-less completely debunked.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Kolohe » 14 Nov 2018, 17:39

I'm not that worried about the first thing, in that if we're not already planning for adversaries to do that, we're already hosed.

I downloaded the report to read myself, but pre-emptive thoughts are 1) we've been in a 'great power' conflict with China since the 90s - or at least keeping an eye on them, and trying to manage their rise with more deftness than America-UK did with Japan a hundred years ago. 2) Russia sort of never went away, but it did become a hot mess militarily, which it still hasn't quite recovered from. But its short term ambitions have be much more limited than anything the Soviets did.

It's easy to dimiss this as the work of military industrial complex. And it very well may wind up being it, but I want to keep an open mind.

I once met one of the honchos for this report, Admiral Roughhead. He seemed decent enough. He would have no idea who I am. But he also was one of the Theranos peeps.
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Post by Warren » 14 Nov 2018, 17:54

Admiral Roughhead
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Post by Kolohe » 14 Nov 2018, 18:07

That was among the best of the message traffic "Roughhead sends". Second best was when Danzig was SecNav.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Painboy » 15 Nov 2018, 00:59

A good thing to help keep things in perspective is knowing that Russia has the same GDP as Australia. Russia's military is also an aged shadow of its former Cold War self. So ask yourself how much of an existential threat Australia with a dilapidated army poses to the US. Yes they have nukes but MAD works just as well now as it did then.

That's not to say Russia isn't up to all kinds of shenanigans. Most of them however, are just beating up on countries far weaker than it or stunts designed to give the illusion Russia has more power than it actually does.

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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Hugh Akston » 15 Nov 2018, 01:38

The biggest threat Russia presents to the US is in their ongoing efforts to undermine trust in institutions and the ideals they represent. They're very savvy about trolling, #fakenews, quashing dissent, or just plain pointing out faults. America plays its part obligingly by having institutions that aren't trustworthy.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Taktix® » 15 Nov 2018, 01:43

Are we placing too much weight upon spending as a metric of military strength though?

I mean, yeah, we're spending multiples more than the next 10 countries combined on defense, but this is the same government that famously spends $30k for a hammer in old saw numbers. How do we match up in actual numbers of troops and tanks and planes and shit? (And yes, there are stark quality differences but the technology and techniques can't stay secrets forever and it's cheaper to copy than to create)

Russia and China aren't exactly free market economies. Is it possible a military buildup might not look as large on paper when compared to a western country?

Does that take into account the fact that autocracies are less beholden to their people, and therefore able to take bolder risks on the world stage? And did not our stupid fucking foreign adventures under Bush show cheaply-exploitable cracks in our armor?

ETA: And our stupid fucking foreign adventures under Obama because they're all fucking culpable in that respect.
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Post by Warren » 15 Nov 2018, 01:52

Taktix® wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 01:43
I mean, yeah, we're spending multiples more than the next 10 countries combined on defense, but this is the same government that famously spends $30k for a hammer in old saw numbers.
We piss away frightening amounts of money on the MIC. Big systems are always big cost overruns and big broken performance promises. That said, I am confident that our troops are equipped with next level shit hardware that is beyond the imaginings of any foreign power. Don't ask me how I know.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Pham Nuwen » 15 Nov 2018, 09:52

Warren wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 01:52
Don't ask me how I know.
What would happen if I had to ask?
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Post by Warren » 15 Nov 2018, 09:55

Pham Nuwen wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 09:52
Warren wrote:
15 Nov 2018, 01:52
Don't ask me how I know.
What would happen if I had to ask?
I could tell you, but then I'd have to turn myself in.

No wait this is better:
It would be very painful... for me.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Aresen » 15 Nov 2018, 10:47

The US Military-Industrial Complex has played the threat inflation game as long as I can remember. The enemy is always ten feet tall, eats babies for breakfast and has such a vast array of super-weapons that only an intense military buildup can counter it.

They are also addicted to gadgets, resulting in weapons systems that are overly complex and prone to failures. The more expensive the system, the more time it spends in the maintenance shop.

The US Military bureaucracy is also notoriously self-serving and subject to tunnel vision. See Millennium Challenge 2002.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Taktix® » 20 Nov 2018, 02:33

Putin stooge to head Interpol after the previous Interpol president disappeared in China, err, uh, was arrested in China on corruption charges, er, uh, resigned.

But I'm sure it's fine. Noting to worry about, right? Just more TDS, eh?
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Post by thoreau » 20 Nov 2018, 10:07

Taktix<img src= wrote:
">[quote="Taktix"]Putin stooge to head Interpol after the previous Interpol president disappeared in China, err, uh, was arrested in China on corruption charges, er, uh, resigned.

But I'm sure it's fine. Noting to worry about, right? Just more TDS, eh?
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