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Love him or hate him, no one can deny that Vladimir Putin is the undisputed King of All the Trolls:

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This is what happens when the Urkobold abandons his post.

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Re: Putin on the Writs

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If even half that's true that's pretty crazy. It's the thing about the Russian mafia that is always worrisome. How close are they really with the Kremlin? If they do work for them the Kremlin would basically have an espionage cell at the ready to do there dirty with almost full deniability in any country with a Russian mafia presence. That's not an easy thing to deal with.

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Painboy wrote:
If even half that's true that's pretty crazy. It's the thing about the Russian mafia that is always worrisome. How close are they really with the Kremlin? If they do work for them the Kremlin would basically have an espionage cell at the ready to do there dirty with almost full deniability in any country with a Russian mafia presence. That's not an easy thing to deal with.
Aww shit, my Cassandra node is flaring up again.

Let's just, for the sake of argument, assume Putin put Trump in office basically just to wreak havoc and generally weaken the U.S. as much as possible (since weakening American institutions* is basically the only common denominator in all of the Trump administration's actions).

If Putin wanted to directly attack the U.S., he'd have:

- The US Government in Total Disarray
- A vast network of sleeper cells in every major and minor U.S. city, given that Russian mob thing
- Possibly the ability to compromise the entire U.S. portion of the internet and everything connected to it**

If I were a dictator looking to attack the U.S., I don't think I could invent a more favorable situation...

*Yes, some of those institutions could use some weakening, but that's an argument for a different post

**Do I really think the Russians have hacked our entire internet? No. But it's plausible. What if the Russian hacks thus far were just probes? How much of our military (that one battlestar aside) is dependent upon the internet for communicating orders? Given what we know about supply and demand, why have I had access to so much free internet pr0n over the last two decades? How hard would it be for Russian hackers to slip into some popular adult websites a few bots that could be triggered to shut down machines remotely?
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by dead_elvis » 16 Jun 2017, 13:12

Painboy wrote:
If even half that's true that's pretty crazy. It's the thing about the Russian mafia that is always worrisome. How close are they really with the Kremlin? If they do work for them the Kremlin would basically have an espionage cell at the ready to do there dirty with almost full deniability in any country with a Russian mafia presence. That's not an easy thing to deal with.
This is one of those articles (another example) that is so alarming because you can't help but think if this is true, how is this not the biggest fucking deal on the planet that everyone should be talking about, right now. But it's too outlandish to be true so let's collectively pretend it isn't happening.
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Painboy wrote:
If even half that's true that's pretty crazy. It's the thing about the Russian mafia that is always worrisome. How close are they really with the Kremlin? If they do work for them the Kremlin would basically have an espionage cell at the ready to do there dirty with almost full deniability in any country with a Russian mafia presence. That's not an easy thing to deal with.
Aww shit, my Cassandra node is flaring up again.

Let's just, for the sake of argument, assume Putin put Trump in office basically just to wreak havoc and generally weaken the U.S. as much as possible (since weakening American institutions* is basically the only common denominator in all of the Trump administration's actions).

If Putin wanted to directly attack the U.S., he'd have:

- The US Government in Total Disarray
- A vast network of sleeper cells in every major and minor U.S. city, given that Russian mob thing
- Possibly the ability to compromise the entire U.S. portion of the internet and everything connected to it**

If I were a dictator looking to attack the U.S., I don't think I could invent a more favorable situation...

*Yes, some of those institutions could use some weakening, but that's an argument for a different post

**Do I really think the Russians have hacked our entire internet? No. But it's plausible. What if the Russian hacks thus far were just probes? How much of our military (that one battlestar aside) is dependent upon the internet for communicating orders? Given what we know about supply and demand, why have I had access to so much free internet pr0n over the last two decades? How hard would it be for Russian hackers to slip into some popular adult websites a few bots that could be triggered to shut down machines remotely?
I always assumed that 90% of free porn was there solely as a bot distribution node. There's only so much Fleshlight advertising revenue to go around.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

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dead_elvis wrote:
Painboy wrote:
If even half that's true that's pretty crazy. It's the thing about the Russian mafia that is always worrisome. How close are they really with the Kremlin? If they do work for them the Kremlin would basically have an espionage cell at the ready to do there dirty with almost full deniability in any country with a Russian mafia presence. That's not an easy thing to deal with.
This is one of those articles (another example) that is so alarming because you can't help but think if this is true, how is this not the biggest fucking deal on the planet that everyone should be talking about, right now. But it's too outlandish to be true so let's collectively pretend it isn't happening.
It one of those things that people can kind of dismiss because they see it as mostly just "criminals killing criminals." It's only when it spills over into the public at large are a lot of people going to start paying much attention. Or possibly if an incident is just so ridiculously brazen it can't be tolerated.

I will say I don't see the Russians using it to actively destabilize a first world government. Russian mafia may be ruthless but they're not suicide bombers or some kind of fanatical deep cover agents. There is also only so much one can do with intelligence to organizations as deep as a first world government. Extortion, blackmail, and intimidation, might work on certain individuals here and there, but there's no way to co-opt significant parts of a government without it coming down hard when they figure out what is going on.

Where I worry is the ability for Putin (and whoever comes next) to go after any and all critics it deems harmful. Where someone digs up some dirt on the Kremlin and wakes up halfway to the ground from their high rise apartment window. With the internet critics have the ability to criticize anyone from out of harm's way as they live, or can find refuge, in another country. If that's out because the Kremlin can just send it's local squad of goons from the Russian mafia in, that may very will chill any native Russian criticism, further pushing Russia into a permanent dictatorship. And because certain countries, like Britain appears to be doing in the article, they just look the other way so as not to piss off the Russians since it's only the odd person or two which isn't a big deal compared to other matters.

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Re: Putin on the Writs

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lunchstealer wrote:
Taktix® wrote:
Painboy wrote:
If even half that's true that's pretty crazy. It's the thing about the Russian mafia that is always worrisome. How close are they really with the Kremlin? If they do work for them the Kremlin would basically have an espionage cell at the ready to do there dirty with almost full deniability in any country with a Russian mafia presence. That's not an easy thing to deal with.
Aww shit, my Cassandra node is flaring up again.

Let's just, for the sake of argument, assume Putin put Trump in office basically just to wreak havoc and generally weaken the U.S. as much as possible (since weakening American institutions* is basically the only common denominator in all of the Trump administration's actions).

If Putin wanted to directly attack the U.S., he'd have:

- The US Government in Total Disarray
- A vast network of sleeper cells in every major and minor U.S. city, given that Russian mob thing
- Possibly the ability to compromise the entire U.S. portion of the internet and everything connected to it**

If I were a dictator looking to attack the U.S., I don't think I could invent a more favorable situation...

*Yes, some of those institutions could use some weakening, but that's an argument for a different post

**Do I really think the Russians have hacked our entire internet? No. But it's plausible. What if the Russian hacks thus far were just probes? How much of our military (that one battlestar aside) is dependent upon the internet for communicating orders? Given what we know about supply and demand, why have I had access to so much free internet pr0n over the last two decades? How hard would it be for Russian hackers to slip into some popular adult websites a few bots that could be triggered to shut down machines remotely?
I always assumed that 90% of free porn was there solely as a bot distribution node. There's only so much Fleshlight advertising revenue to go around.
Nope, not prepping for a major cyber attack or anything, nothing to see here: https://www.wired.com/story/russian-hac ... k-ukraine/
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Post by thoreau » 22 Jun 2017, 16:08

I think you've gone too far with the paranoia. If Russia were attempting to compromise critical systems in the US the entire federal would be united in it's determination to resist Russian meddling. The president and congressional leadership would be warning the Russian ambassador to tell his government to back off, and the congressional leadership would ostracize any member of Congress who was lackadaisical about the threat. And if the President downplayed the threat he would be impeached and removed in short order.

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thoreau wrote:I think you've gone too far with the paranoia. If Russia were attempting to compromise critical systems in the US the entire federal would be united in it's determination to resist Russian meddling. The president and congressional leadership would be warning the Russian ambassador to tell his government to back off, and the congressional leadership would ostracize any member of Congress who was lackadaisical about the threat. And if the President downplayed the threat he would be impeached and removed in short order.
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In my continuing series of trying to warn the world that a major Russian attack is coming: Russians suspected to be behind hacks of nuclear plant

Can one of you military type fellas enlighten me as to how prepared the U.S. is for a major attack by Russia? I get the sense that people really don't think we're vulnerable to a joint cyber and traditional attack by a belligerent like Russia, which is the perfect blind spot to hide a joint cyber and traditional attack by Russia.

Someone please tell me that this is just child's play and if the real shit hit the fan, we'd be prepared to defend ourselves. Because it sure feels like interwar-period France right about now...
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Taktix® wrote:In my continuing series of trying to warn the world that a major Russian attack is coming: Russians suspected to be behind hacks of nuclear plant

Can one of you military type fellas enlighten me as to how prepared the U.S. is for a major attack by Russia? I get the sense that people really don't think we're vulnerable to a joint cyber and traditional attack by a belligerent like Russia, which is the perfect blind spot to hide a joint cyber and traditional attack by Russia.

Someone please tell me that this is just child's play and if the real shit hit the fan, we'd be prepared to defend ourselves. Because it sure feels like interwar-period France right about now...
What would Russia invade/attack?
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Sandy wrote:
Taktix® wrote:In my continuing series of trying to warn the world that a major Russian attack is coming: Russians suspected to be behind hacks of nuclear plant

Can one of you military type fellas enlighten me as to how prepared the U.S. is for a major attack by Russia? I get the sense that people really don't think we're vulnerable to a joint cyber and traditional attack by a belligerent like Russia, which is the perfect blind spot to hide a joint cyber and traditional attack by Russia.

Someone please tell me that this is just child's play and if the real shit hit the fan, we'd be prepared to defend ourselves. Because it sure feels like interwar-period France right about now...
What would Russia invade/attack?
I honestly don't know. Alaska is rich in resources and is within eye-shot of Russia. Crippling the U.S. would give Putin free reign to conquer Europe or the Middle East (in possibly the only successful way -- in a less-than-humanitarian fashion), to claim the arctic, to become the world's new superpower reboot.

I mean, why does anyone attack anybody? They do though, and although I might not see Putin's end game, what's going on right now sure looks like his beginning game...
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Russia lacks the force projection capability to invade the US in any significant way. Hell, the Chinese lack that capacity. We're a unique military problem. The only way Russia compromising the .mil makes sense is to cripple our response to them invading something close to home, like the Ukraine.

Oh, shit...
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Post by Dangerman » 07 Jul 2017, 15:53

I can't think of a single good outcome for Russia resulting from an overt attack on American citizens or soil (or allies for that matter). I can believe that they might see a way to gain from network /information /infrastructure attacks, and there's a enough of a lack of public understanding of these issues that Russia might, publicly at least, 'get away with it'. But I don't believe that 'Murrican TLAs will, or do currently, allow an actual Russian attack to go unchallenged or unpunished.

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Post by lunchstealer » 07 Jul 2017, 16:31

I think for Putin, the end-game is basically retaking the Soviet-era boundaries because MARA, possibly some or all of the greater Eastern Bloc and maybe even some mideast oil for good measure. Another big thing might be to just cut America off at the knees and end American global hegemony and force-projection capability. Russia doesn't have to become a global superpower if they can just reduce America to being a comparable power to what Russia is now.

Were it to go to a hot cyber war, to what extent might it be possible to cut Russia off from the internet? What would we lose if we just blew the physical cables that cross the border? Would it then be possible to shut down enough geographically-independent satellite access to prevent major Russian attacks without also crippling the internet for the rest of the world?


I'm personally sanguine about Russia's immediate thing and don't think that a joint cyber/physical attack is all that likely, but I'm curious what we might do otherwise.
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tr0g wrote:Russia lacks the force projection capability to invade the US in any significant way. Hell, the Chinese lack that capacity. We're a unique military problem. The only way Russia compromising the .mil makes sense is to cripple our response to them invading something close to home, like the Ukraine.

Oh, shit...
This is what I was thinking. The only move they have open to them is to invade countries of the "near abroad," basically the former Soviet Union plus maybe Poland if they're feeling cheeky. And they don't need to "attack" the US to get that. They managed to take the Crimea and half the Ukraine with a President who was completely free of pee stains, Russian businesses, or emails of his opponents rigging their nomination.
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Sandy wrote:
tr0g wrote:Russia lacks the force projection capability to invade the US in any significant way. Hell, the Chinese lack that capacity. We're a unique military problem. The only way Russia compromising the .mil makes sense is to cripple our response to them invading something close to home, like the Ukraine.

Oh, shit...
This is what I was thinking. The only move they have open to them is to invade countries of the "near abroad," basically the former Soviet Union plus maybe Poland if they're feeling cheeky. And they don't need to "attack" the US to get that. They managed to take the Crimea and half the Ukraine with a President who was completely free of pee stains, Russian businesses, or emails of his opponents rigging their nomination.
And about 10% of Georgia before that.
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Sandy wrote:
tr0g wrote:Russia lacks the force projection capability to invade the US in any significant way. Hell, the Chinese lack that capacity. We're a unique military problem. The only way Russia compromising the .mil makes sense is to cripple our response to them invading something close to home, like the Ukraine.

Oh, shit...
This is what I was thinking. The only move they have open to them is to invade countries of the "near abroad," basically the former Soviet Union plus maybe Poland if they're feeling cheeky. And they don't need to "attack" the US to get that. They managed to take the Crimea and half the Ukraine with a President who was completely free of pee stains, Russian businesses, or emails of his opponents rigging their nomination.
Ironically, that's still less control than they had when Yanukovych was in charge.
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Russia has a new array of nuclear-capable weapons including an intercontinental ballistic missile that renders defense systems “useless,” President Vladimir Putin announced Thursday.
He accused the West of "ignoring us. Nobody listened to us. Well listen to us now."

“Russia’s strong military is a guarantor of peace on our planet.”
He boasted that Russia's new ICBM is “powerful and modern and defense systems will not be able to withstand it,” he said. “Missile defenses will be useless against it.”
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The display of military prowess came at the end of Putin's state-of-the-nation speech, which lasted almost two hours and covered everything from health care to the annual grain harvest.

Earlier, the leader pledged to improve the lives of Russians by cutting poverty by half, boosting pensions and creating more daycare places. He also called for spending on urban infrastructure to be doubled over the next six years.

However, there was no detail on how his spending pledges would be funded.
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Post by Sandy » 01 Mar 2018, 17:51

I think there will just be half as many poor people. If you know what I mean.
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Sandy wrote:
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I think there will just be half as many poor people. If you know what I mean.
It's simpler that way.
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Post by Mo » 01 Mar 2018, 23:25

The Russia experts seem not concerned about this and say it's the modern equivalent of banging a shoe in the UN to get noticed. The attached link is actually one that credits the Russians more than most. Also, all those demos were CG, not video.
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Mo wrote:
01 Mar 2018, 23:25
The Russia experts seem not concerned about this and say it's the modern equivalent of banging a shoe in the UN to get noticed. The attached link is actually one that credits the Russians more than most. Also, all those demos were CG, not video.
I was going to congratulate Putin on trolling the Senate Armed Services Committee.
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