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nicole wrote: 16 Jan 2020, 12:34
Pham Nuwen wrote: 16 Jan 2020, 12:18 People. When he says that he is transferring more authority to parliament, including the power to choose the prime minister and senior cabinet members, instead of the president as under the current system he means HE is going to do the choosing when he's elected to parliament.
And by that you mean, as Hugh said above, that he’s also going to be the one who is chosen

This is literally the opposite of him showing a willingness to give up power.
*shrug*

It's Putin.
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Pham Nuwen wrote: 16 Jan 2020, 12:29 I assume with violence, threats of violence, and blackmail.
And don't forget bribes.
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Aresen wrote: 16 Jan 2020, 12:39
Pham Nuwen wrote: 16 Jan 2020, 12:29 I assume with violence, threats of violence, and blackmail.
And don't forget bribes.
Oh no. I wouldn't do that.
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Pham Nuwen wrote: 16 Jan 2020, 12:18 People. When he says that he is transferring more authority to parliament, including the power to choose the prime minister and senior cabinet members, instead of the president as under the current system he means HE is going to do the choosing when he's elected to parliament.
That only begs the question of why. It's not like he hasn't already taken a turn as PM before becoming president again to get around term limits.
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*shrug*

I assume optics. They aren't a democracy but want to seem like one.
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Pham Nuwen wrote: 16 Jan 2020, 21:22 *shrug*

I assume optics. They aren't a democracy but want to seem like one.
I think you are right.

However, we have all seen the rus-bots who will reply to any criticism of Russia with the "You don't understand Russia..." line. I am constantly amazed at how many Russians respond to allegations of corruption by suggesting it is normal and the way things should be - with the implication that they are waiting their turn to take advantage of it.
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Pham Nuwen wrote: 16 Jan 2020, 21:22 *shrug*

I assume optics. They aren't a democracy but want to seem like one.
Which is why he bounced between president and prime minister, as I just described. The question of why he's changing his shtick isn't just a matter of are you people dumb, it's about more power, because dude's got power. Why not just remove the term limits and go, "What, I'm not president-for-life, I'm just getting re-elected..." rather than rework the structure of government somewhat closer to a typical parliamentary democracy?
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Optics? I mean I assume it's easier to be corrupt and have more influence if people think there is an actual process over there and not a capricious dictatorship. Why would you invest anything over there knowing you can be shaken down with no recourse? I don't think it's about more power just the same amount of power.
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It could also be that he is getting old and wants to reduce his workload. In a parliamentary system the president has fewer day to day responsibilities, but is still the person with final authority over the security services. Maybe he wants to delegate more details while still having control over the people who can kill his enemies. More time for shirtless hunting, fewer meetings about boring domestic policy decisions.
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Pham Nuwen wrote: 16 Jan 2020, 21:22 *shrug*

I assume optics. They aren't a democracy but want to seem like one.
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Kolohe wrote: 17 Jan 2020, 10:05
Pham Nuwen wrote: 16 Jan 2020, 21:22 *shrug*

I assume optics. They aren't a democracy but want to seem like one.
Lawful Evil is more effective than Chaotic Evil.
Well, Orderly Evil is more effective, lawful or not.

Russia's age old inferiority complex vis a vis Western Europe (not entirely unjustified when you count the ways in which it's inferior) does make the optics important, not so much perhaps in terms of realpolitik but in giving enough appearance of popular sovereignty that they can say "We, too, are modern European state!"
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Pham Nuwen wrote: 17 Jan 2020, 07:27Optics? I mean I assume it's easier to be corrupt and have more influence if people think there is an actual process over there and not a capricious dictatorship.
The problem is, it's Russia. Nobody thinks there's much of a process beyond dictatorship and oligarchy, and doubly not if Putin is visibly around.
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I mean there are a lot of people that think Russia is an alright place. Could be the people I interact with though.
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Pham Nuwen wrote: 17 Jan 2020, 21:47 I mean there are a lot of people that think Russia is an alright place. Could be the people I interact with though.
Have any of them been there? Have any of them lived there?
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Of course not. But they all seem to think of Russia as an alright place. Decent economy, strong nation, godly country, etc. And yes. They are Trump supporters.
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For the record, I know it's a shithole. They dont.
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People that dumb don't need Putin to have good optics.
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Kansas City radio station to begin broadcasting Radio Sputnik.

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Pham Nuwen wrote: 18 Jan 2020, 07:03 For the record, I know it's a shithole. They dont.
Russia's probably not a shithole if your a Muscovite with an ok job and no real strong political opinions. It's probably even better if you're in Saint Pete.

Eta- and if you're like 50, it's probably less a shithole than it was when you were thirty.
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I'm sticking with the shithole comment .... comrade.
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Kolohe wrote: 18 Jan 2020, 17:54
Pham Nuwen wrote: 18 Jan 2020, 07:03 For the record, I know it's a shithole. They dont.
Russia's probably not a shithole if your a Muscovite with an ok job and no real strong political opinions. It's probably even better if you're in Saint Pete.

Eta- and if you're like 50, it's probably less a shithole than it was when you were thirty.
I was in St. Petersburg almost exactly 20 years ago, and behind the facade were some third-world clues peeking out through the cracks. Loudest of which was just the quality of the goddamn toilet paper. Ouch.
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dead_elvis wrote: 18 Jan 2020, 18:46
Kolohe wrote: 18 Jan 2020, 17:54
Pham Nuwen wrote: 18 Jan 2020, 07:03 For the record, I know it's a shithole. They dont.
Russia's probably not a shithole if your a Muscovite with an ok job and no real strong political opinions. It's probably even better if you're in Saint Pete.

Eta- and if you're like 50, it's probably less a shithole than it was when you were thirty.
I was in St. Petersburg almost exactly 20 years ago, and behind the facade were some third-world clues peeking out through the cracks. Loudest of which was just the quality of the goddamn toilet paper. Ouch.
I would say that is definitely a test of a shithole.
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Sloping forehead. Dead giveaway.
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Warren wrote: 19 Jan 2020, 10:29 Sloping forehead. Dead giveaway.
Of what? That he’s a stagecoach tilter?

He looks like a 60s British bank manager who missed his bus.
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