Putin on the Writs

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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Warren » 08 Jan 2019, 09:15

Mo wrote:
08 Jan 2019, 08:41
Taktix® wrote:
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And let's not forget those weird sonic attacks on our embassies in Cuba and China. Could not one piece together that Russia is testing new weapons for some future war?
So those weird sonic attacks were crickets. Fucking crickets.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/ ... scientists
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Post by Hugh Akston » 08 Jan 2019, 10:16

It really makes one wonder what kind of compromising information Putin's hacker army was able to dig up on the scientists who published the study.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Painboy » 08 Jan 2019, 11:47

Don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence or sex crazed crickets.

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Post by Warren » 08 Jan 2019, 14:43

Painboy wrote:
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Don't attribute to malice what can be attributed to incompetence or sex crazed crickets.
I have a sneaking suspicion that sex crazed crickets have been behind much mischief for much longer than we heretofore imagine.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Taktix® » 08 Jan 2019, 15:23

I call bullshit.

The article only says they were able to get the crickets to produce a sound similar to the one recorded in Cuba (but not exactly matching, per the article). Have they been able to reproduce any physical damage like that which was reported by embassy staff? Are these crickets known to have caused similar symptoms before the embassy incidents? Article doesn't say.

But it does have one random asshole saying "yeah, it's crickets. Explains everything" and you bloody ostriches accuse ME of not being sufficiently skeptical and condescendingly explain that sources have bias. (Really? The Military Times is pro-military?)

Fuck it. Trying to duscuss things with Trump apologists is as frustraing as circa-2002 having to explain what libertarianism is every time you talk to a normie. I'm out.

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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by thoreau » 08 Jan 2019, 15:37

Taktix,

I'm about the farthest thing from a Trump apologist or Russian stooge. But not everything that Russia does is related to Trump. It may be contrary to US interests, it may be a problem, but Russia isn't running all of their operations through Trump. (Otherwise they'd be bankrupt by now.)

As to the ear damage at diplomatic facilities, I need to read more, but the whole thing is weird enough that I can't fault scientists for looking at extreme possibilities. (Cue X-Files music.)

EDIT: The first paragraph is in reference to some of your posts about Russian military capabilities in the Occam, Trump, and Russia thread.
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Post by Kolohe » 08 Jan 2019, 16:30

There's been people on the internet I trust that have been very skeptical of the sonic attack thing from the begining. Although they really hadn't brought anything to the table but 'um, no' type statements.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 08 Jan 2019, 18:28

"Um, no" is a valid contribution, particularly when there's a dearth of good evidence for the claims.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Mo » 08 Jan 2019, 18:30

The sonic attack thing was pushed by the anti-Castro brigade more than the anti-Russia crew.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Kolohe » 09 Jan 2019, 12:14

Eric the .5b wrote:
08 Jan 2019, 18:28
"Um, no" is a valid contribution, particularly when there's a dearth of good evidence for the claims.
But I couldn't tell if the um, no was 'people are making up their symptoms' or 'Cuba doesn't have a sonic screwdriver set on overload'
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Eric the .5b » 09 Jan 2019, 19:33

Kolohe wrote:
09 Jan 2019, 12:14
Eric the .5b wrote:
08 Jan 2019, 18:28
"Um, no" is a valid contribution, particularly when there's a dearth of good evidence for the claims.
But I couldn't tell if the um, no was 'people are making up their symptoms' or 'Cuba doesn't have a sonic screwdriver set on overload'
Asking them might help.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by lunchstealer » 10 Jan 2019, 14:11

The sonic thumbscrews thing - especially the use of said thumbscrews in hotels and so forth - just seems so far fetched that I'd be 'um no' without legit proof that that's what happened. It smells like pseudoscience/scifi BS. Sure, it seems that we actually tried to assassinate Castro with a trick cigar, but even that seems over the top. We're not in that situation now. I have trouble seeing Cuba decide to just massively and randomly fuck with American diplomats right when we're giving them the path-to-legitimacy that they've always wanted.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by thoreau » 10 Jan 2019, 14:35

I never thought it was Cuba doing it. When I heard reports of mysterious ailments of embassy employees, I assumed it was somebody with better tech than Cuba, testing it outside their home territory. Or maybe there's some weird, behind-the-scenes tit-for-tat, where the US State Department did somebody that annoyed somebody and it in some way involved interests in the Caribbean, so US Embassy personnel in Cuba were deemed fair game for retaliation.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by JasonL » 10 Jan 2019, 14:44

I’m on team nonsense from day 1. Too much history of secret weapons being system failures or environmental.

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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by thoreau » 12 Jan 2019, 01:57

The FBI is a known hotbed of Democratic Socialists. You can't believe anything they say.

Also, they are a bunch of red-baiters who think everyone is working for Moscow. You can't believe anything they say.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Dangerman » 12 Jan 2019, 11:22

I await the *conclusions* and *findings* of this alleged investigation. I also hope that these findings and conclusions are not presented by anonymous sources.

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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Aresen » 12 Jan 2019, 15:16

thoreau wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 01:57
The FBI is a known hotbed of Democratic Socialists. You can't believe anything they say.

Also, they are a bunch of red-baiters who think everyone is working for Moscow. You can't believe anything they say.
I thought they were Klansmen trying to bring back Jim Crow and Segregation.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Warren » 12 Jan 2019, 15:36

Aresen wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 15:16
thoreau wrote:
12 Jan 2019, 01:57
The FBI is a known hotbed of Democratic Socialists. You can't believe anything they say.

Also, they are a bunch of red-baiters who think everyone is working for Moscow. You can't believe anything they say.
I thought they were Klansmen trying to bring back Jim Crow and Segregation.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Taktix® » 31 Jan 2019, 00:51

So serious question for the legal people here:

Regarding the discovery obtained by Reed Smith in the Concord Management/IRA bullshit going on today (Basically the Russian firm that owns the Internet Research Agency, Concord Management, was part of one of the those two special council indictments of a bunch of Russians that will never go anywhere because they'll never appear in the U.S., and has been using the discovery process to obtain evidence which has since been used in new internet disinformation campaigns) : https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/le ... b80383f061

Could they put a stop to this by, say, requiring an actual appearance (instead of the the 2 soon-to-be-disbarred Reed Smith attorneys) of the like 17 Russian FSB officers indicted or actual representatives of Concord Management or the Internet Research Agency before allowing and additional discovery be released?
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Mo » 04 Feb 2019, 09:51

his voice is so soothing, but why do conspiracy nuts always sound like Batman and Robin solving one of Riddler's puzzles out loud? - fod

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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Taktix® » 05 Feb 2019, 11:02

Alright, does anyone care to tell me why we shouldn't be worried about this?

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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by JasonL » 05 Feb 2019, 11:38

They were already in violation. So the new news is they will be in violation some more.

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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by thoreau » 05 Feb 2019, 11:49

What we should be worried about is that instead of enforcing treaty provisions Trump just walks away from the treaty. The point of arms control treaties is to avoid arms races.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by JasonL » 05 Feb 2019, 11:51

I actually see this as similar to the NK agreement. Putin was ignoring it before. It may be politically bad to get out of it but what everyone else has been doing is pretending like he wasn't violating the terms so you could pretend the treaty still existed.

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