Putin on the Writs

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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Painboy » 21 Sep 2018, 13:00

thoreau wrote:
20 Sep 2018, 20:32

3) You keep talking about software changes, but this isn't about software changes. It's about the ability to edit insecure databases.
You have to change the numbers in the database with something though. Either you are going to use faked or stolen credentials, which is easily identified and traceable, or you have to inject something into the software to get it to change the values which will again be obvious.

Successful hacks either pull data or break it. A hacking attempt will only be a secret until someone starts looking for it. Given the scrutiny the voting machines have elicited lately I don't see how it wouldn't be spotted almost immediately. For instance when the Russians hacked Clinton's emails they just pulled information. They couldn't go in and change things with no one the wiser.
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4) You yourself have said that Putin's main goal is not to get specific policies implemented by US leaders, but just to weaken the US with chaos. Well, imagine if on Election Night a state is called by 10,000 votes and then a few weeks later it is reported that 12,000 provisional ballots have to be counted and just about all of them are from Democrats. Some Americans would, of course, see this as a conspiracy against Democrats. Others would see it as a conspiracy BY Democrats. "They must have done something fishy, no way that 10,000 Democrats just happen to have paperwork snafus but hardly any Republicans."

That's a trolling success. That's chaos. That's a massive headache for the next administration's legitimacy.
Chaos like setting up meetings between certain politicos with known suspicious people to make it look like there was collusion going on even if none existed? :P Jokes aside this doesn't sound much different than the 2000 election. We managed to survive that. And once that kind of stunt is pulled they wouldn't be able to do it again because people would be ready for it and take measures against it.
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5) What are the consequences for Russia to get caught? What if, hypothetically, the GRU hacked into the DNC and a US ally had video footage of the room in which the hackers conducted their operation? What would the Trump Administration do?
That's a completely different scenario that doesn't really have anything to do with voting machines. I can honestly say though that I have no idea what Trump would do given he has the attention span of a goldfish.

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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by thoreau » 21 Sep 2018, 13:31

Painboy wrote:
21 Sep 2018, 13:00
thoreau wrote:
20 Sep 2018, 20:32
5) What are the consequences for Russia to get caught? What if, hypothetically, the GRU hacked into the DNC and a US ally had video footage of the room in which the hackers conducted their operation? What would the Trump Administration do?
That's a completely different scenario that doesn't really have anything to do with voting machines. I can honestly say though that I have no idea what Trump would do given he has the attention span of a goldfish.
That scenario actually happened, and Trump has dragged his feet on implementing sanctions.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

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thoreau wrote:
21 Sep 2018, 13:31
Painboy wrote:
21 Sep 2018, 13:00
thoreau wrote:
20 Sep 2018, 20:32
5) What are the consequences for Russia to get caught? What if, hypothetically, the GRU hacked into the DNC and a US ally had video footage of the room in which the hackers conducted their operation? What would the Trump Administration do?
That's a completely different scenario that doesn't really have anything to do with voting machines. I can honestly say though that I have no idea what Trump would do given he has the attention span of a goldfish.
That scenario actually happened, and Trump has dragged his feet on implementing sanctions.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Taktix® » 24 Sep 2018, 23:38

Donald Trump - UberDrugCzar

Oh, guess who else loves them a fucking drug war?

Easier to militarize and make loyal local police, too ! <3 !
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Taktix® wrote:
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Donald Trump - UberDrugCzar

Oh, guess who else loves them a fucking drug war?

Easier to militarize and make loyal local police, too ! <3 !
So, the Socons have found a use for the United Nations?
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Taktix® » 27 Sep 2018, 00:15

Aaaaand Rand Paul trying to lift Russian sanctions after recently visiting Moscow.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/rand-paul ... ns-fizzles
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by thoreau » 27 Sep 2018, 01:13

He failed at libertarianism. Now he can fail at shilling for Russia.
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Post by thoreau » 28 Sep 2018, 02:15

Look, if Putin DOES meddle in the elections it will only be to help a good, God-fearing American like Donald Trump, not those coastal elitist Democrat party types. So there's nothing to be worried about.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by JasonL » 04 Oct 2018, 15:16

If the Hill report is true - that there was a meeting with between DNC lawyers and the FBI before FISA warrant was issued, that's not a good look. I do believe there were active Russia attempts to influence the election but I also believe the FISA process is politically compromised and we need a lot of bleach.

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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Taktix® » 10 Oct 2018, 15:37

It's fine, our weapons systems aren't vulnerable. We're not under threat and, anyway, if there were an attack it would be over by Christmas...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/10/us/p ... 6XRNc1CIcU
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Re: Putin on the Writs

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Taktix® wrote:
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It's fine, our weapons systems aren't vulnerable. We're not under threat and, anyway, if there were an attack it would be over by Christmas...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/10/us/p ... 6XRNc1CIcU
I loved this bit:
Sometimes the testing teams toyed with their Pentagon targets. One team “reported that they caused a pop-up message to appear on users’ terminals instructing them to insert two quarters to continue operating.”
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Post by thoreau » 10 Oct 2018, 21:00

So what if Russia is making changes to our weapons systems? That's no different from the Pentagon making changes to the computer systems of the state National Guard units.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Painboy » 24 Oct 2018, 01:51

It was quick to note, too, though, the US “[does] not have any evidence of a compromise or disruption of infrastructure that would enable adversaries to prevent voting, change vote counts, or disrupt our ability to tally votes in the midterm elections.”

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Painboy wrote:
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It was quick to note, too, though, the US “[does] not have any evidence of a compromise or disruption of infrastructure that would enable adversaries to prevent voting, change vote counts, or disrupt our ability to tally votes in the midterm elections.”
Aside from several Republican secretaries of state and other election officials doing their damnedest to skew the votes their direction.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Taktix® » 24 Oct 2018, 11:23

Painboy wrote:
24 Oct 2018, 01:51
It was quick to note, too, though, the US “[does] not have any evidence of a compromise or disruption of infrastructure that would enable adversaries to prevent voting, change vote counts, or disrupt our ability to tally votes in the midterm elections.”
That sweeping reassurance that Dan Coats was "quick to note" is not enough without any real reports of anything being done. This is one of those situations they have to say the election system is completely safe because the system itself depends upon the public's confidence in the vote.

I'm glad everyone's watching, but that certainly means any reports of actual vote interference (which I hope you concede are, at least, reasonably possible) sure as fuck aren't going to come from the Director of National Intelligence first...
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Aresen » 24 Oct 2018, 11:33

Taktix® wrote:
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I'm glad everyone's watching, but that certainly means any reports of actual vote interference (which I hope you concede are, at least, reasonably possible) sure as fuck aren't going to come from the Director of National Intelligence first...
Of course not. They're going to first come from TYT and Infowars (does it still exist?) wherever their favored candidate didn't win. :lol:
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Taktix® » 24 Oct 2018, 13:37

Aresen wrote:
24 Oct 2018, 11:33
Taktix® wrote:
24 Oct 2018, 11:23
I'm glad everyone's watching, but that certainly means any reports of actual vote interference (which I hope you concede are, at least, reasonably possible) sure as fuck aren't going to come from the Director of National Intelligence first...
Of course not. They're going to first come from TYT and Infowars (does it still exist?) wherever their favored candidate didn't win. :lol:
Infowars still exists. Alex Jones tried to create a bunch of fake twitter accounts and just got re-banned in the last day or two.

Perhaps he can get his old job at RT back...
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Taktix® » 27 Oct 2018, 03:21

Oh, look. Voting machines are doing weird glitchy stuff that ends in Republican votes.

I'm sure it's fine. We're fine. I'm fine.
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by Jennifer » 27 Oct 2018, 05:09

It's been happening in Georgia too--votes for Abrams (the Democratic candidate) changed to votes for Kemp (the Republican candidate, and also the Secretary of State and thus the one who'll referee the election if the results are in dispute).
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Re: Putin on the Writs

Post by JasonL » 27 Oct 2018, 08:35

Taktix<img src= wrote:
">[quote="Taktix"]Oh, look. Voting machines are doing weird glitchy stuff that ends in Republican votes.

I'm sure it's fine. We're fine. I'm fine.
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