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Post by JD » 22 Oct 2014, 12:04

...they do things differently there. A thread for historical artifacts of interest.

Here are some scans from the January 1961 issue of "Man's Magazine". By 1961 the pulp industry was pretty much on its last legs, and it collapsed in the mid-60s, due to social changes and (I suspect) the Vietnam War, which made combat action and exotic locales not seem as inviting anymore.

(Sorry about the mediocre quality of some of the scans. Scanning fragile old magazines isn't the easiest thing.)

The cover. Rather nice artwork on Admiral Yamamoto there.
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Caption of the top cartoon is "And this car is our new bachelor's special"
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From the "GI who got VD" story. An interesting mix of the salacious and the condemnatory - the main character reminisces about his Italian lover at the same time he's humiliated and treated like a criminal by his own army.
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Another cartoon; caption is "Now there's a pickup if I've ever seen one!"
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A reminder that pornography was not so widely available back in 1961. Even here, it has to be framed as more "amusing" than prurient.
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Yes, prior to GCA '68, you could order a handgun through the mail. Shove that in the face of any Euro-weenie who whines about America being a lawless, bloodthirsty anarchy now. And a reminder of the days when Mexico looked like a playground for Americans...
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Post by Jennifer » 22 Oct 2014, 12:17

the main character reminisces about his Italian lover at the same time he's humiliated and treated like a criminal by his own army.
I remember watching a documentary about IIRC the American Navy in World War Two -- at the time, any man with "VD" was forbidden to use the regular toilet facilities, but had to sit on "the red seat."
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Post by Aresen » 22 Oct 2014, 12:22

Yes. Well some things can STAY in the past:

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll18 ... m%20number%
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Post by Taktix® » 22 Oct 2014, 14:17

C.O.D.

Lol...
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 22 Oct 2014, 14:59

Taktix® wrote:C.O.D.

Lol...
?

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Post by JD » 22 Oct 2014, 15:35

D.A. Ridgely wrote:
Taktix® wrote:C.O.D.

Lol...
?
When was the last time you got something C.O.D., D.A.R.? Do they even still offer that as an option anymore?
*googles* Apparently the USPS, UPS, and Fedex all do still offer it. I haven't seen it advertised anywhere in ages, though.
Aresen wrote:Yes. Well some things can STAY in the past:

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll18 ... m%20number%
You sugarfree'd that link, I think.
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Post by Taktix® » 22 Oct 2014, 15:37

D.A. Ridgely wrote:
Taktix® wrote:C.O.D.

Lol...
?
I recall ordering something COD* once as pre-teen. I just find mention of this obsolete practice quaint.

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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 22 Oct 2014, 16:00

Taktix® wrote:
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
Taktix® wrote:C.O.D.

Lol...
?
I recall ordering something COD* once as pre-teen. I just find mention of this obsolete practice quaint.

*That's Cash On Delivery for you youngins', a.k.a. one step above the honor system...
Okay, I thought maybe there was a deeper in-joke than the obsolescence of C.O.D.

C.O.D. falls into the same bygone basket as Lay Away and Christmas Clubs. They probably all continue to exist to one extent or another but they're nonetheless relics of a bygone age together with telegrams and making long distance calls only for extremely important purposes (usually a death in the family), etc.

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Post by thoreau » 22 Oct 2014, 16:06

I want the Guardians of the Galaxy cassette tape!

My 2002 Honda actually has a cassette player still, so this could work.
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 22 Oct 2014, 16:09

thoreau wrote:I want the Guardians of the Galaxy cassette tape!

My 2002 Honda actually has a cassette player still, so this could work.
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Post by Jennifer » 22 Oct 2014, 16:24

D.A. Ridgely wrote:
Taktix® wrote:
D.A. Ridgely wrote:
Taktix® wrote:C.O.D.

Lol...
?
I recall ordering something COD* once as pre-teen. I just find mention of this obsolete practice quaint.

*That's Cash On Delivery for you youngins', a.k.a. one step above the honor system...
Okay, I thought maybe there was a deeper in-joke than the obsolescence of C.O.D.

C.O.D. falls into the same bygone basket as Lay Away and Christmas Clubs. They probably all continue to exist to one extent or another....
Layaway has actually been making a comeback these past couple of years (mainly at the lower-end stores, of course). Just the other day, the Consumerist ran a piece (linked below) about how the fact that certain Kmart stores are closing is causing serious problems for people who had things on layaway there.

IIRC, the layaway Renaissance is/was being marketed (with justification, IMO) as the responsible choice for people who do not have money enough to buy a certain item outright, but do not want to put it on a credit card and pay the resulting interest and whatnot.

http://consumerist.com/2014/10/17/kmart ... employees/
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Post by JD » 23 Oct 2014, 17:00

I suppose Coca-Cola would like to forget this one.

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(It's from a BBC article about the history of the swastika.)
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Post by Aresen » 23 Oct 2014, 17:03

JD wrote:
Aresen wrote:Yes. Well some things can STAY in the past:

http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll18 ... m%20number%
You sugarfree'd that link, I think.
I did, and I can't fix it.

It was a picture of an old-fashioned cable-driven dentist drill.
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Post by tr0g » 23 Oct 2014, 17:06

Somewhere there is a picture of Jackie O. back when she was Jackie K. wearing a dress with swastikas on it.
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Post by Jennifer » 23 Oct 2014, 20:02

The Asian market near me sells a few things with Hindu good-luck swastikas on them -- candleholders and the like -- and I've seen at least one brand of Indian [i.e., actually sold in India] food with swastikas on the labels.

That said: I'd never have one in my house for fear it would be misinterpreted.
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Post by Eric the .5b » 23 Oct 2014, 23:21

Jennifer wrote:The Asian market near me sells a few things with Hindu good-luck swastikas on them -- candleholders and the like -- and I've seen at least one brand of Indian [i.e., actually sold in India] food with swastikas on the labels.

That said: I'd never have one in my house for fear it would be misinterpreted.
Shit, no! Anyone saw that and knew the owner was a libertarian, it'd somehow end up on DailyKos or wherever the talking points spew this year, and every liberal on the planet would have a simultaneous orgasm or five.
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Post by Aresen » 23 Oct 2014, 23:48

Eric the .5b wrote:
Jennifer wrote:The Asian market near me sells a few things with Hindu good-luck swastikas on them -- candleholders and the like -- and I've seen at least one brand of Indian [i.e., actually sold in India] food with swastikas on the labels.

That said: I'd never have one in my house for fear it would be misinterpreted.
Shit, no! Anyone saw that and knew the owner was a libertarian, it'd somehow end up on DailyKos or wherever the talking points spew this year, and every liberal on the planet would have a simultaneous orgasm or five.
Either that, or their heads would explode.

But, yeah, it definitely would be misinterpreted - whether accidentally or deliberately. Only new-age religions can get away with that kind of thing.
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Eric the .5b wrote:
Jennifer wrote:The Asian market near me sells a few things with Hindu good-luck swastikas on them -- candleholders and the like -- and I've seen at least one brand of Indian [i.e., actually sold in India] food with swastikas on the labels.

That said: I'd never have one in my house for fear it would be misinterpreted.
Shit, no! Anyone saw that and knew the owner was a libertarian, it'd somehow end up on DailyKos or wherever the talking points spew this year, and every liberal on the planet would have a simultaneous orgasm or five.
And probably a third of the conservatives as well.
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Post by tr0g » 24 Oct 2014, 09:54

That's the thing that kind of weirds me out. Jackie wearing a dress with swastikas on it was a lot closer in time to actual Nazis, yet nobody freaked out because they all knew or could reasonably presume she wasn't a Nazi. Now? Everybody would go full on batshit nuts.
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Post by Jennifer » 24 Oct 2014, 09:55

Hmm. I just remembered something, did a little checking in a back closet and -- although I can't post photos here, to show you, I do in fact have some non-Nazi swastikas in my house: a few years ago, in Montreal's Chinatown, I bought little "lotus" lamp: about six inches tall, base made of gold-colored plastic, topped by a black ball covered with gold Chinese script, topped by varicolored plastic panels which presumably are supposed to look like the petals of a lotus blossom; then you put a nightlight bulb in the middle of the petals. Anyway, those colored lotus petals are all in gold-colored frames, and each frame has four little gold-colored "folding tabs" to hold the colored petal panel in place -- and every single one of those tabs has a tiny swastika etched into it.

Of course, when I actually used the lamp as a nightlight the swastikas were invisible, since I kept the lamp on a high shelf. I didn't even know they were there when I bought the lamp.
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Jennifer wrote:Hmm. I just remembered something, did a little checking in a back closet and -- although I can't post photos here, to show you, I do in fact have some non-Nazi swastikas in my house: a few years ago, in Montreal's Chinatown, I bought little "lotus" lamp: about six inches tall, base made of gold-colored plastic, topped by a black ball covered with gold Chinese script, topped by varicolored plastic panels which presumably are supposed to look like the petals of a lotus blossom; then you put a nightlight bulb in the middle of the petals. Anyway, those colored lotus petals are all in gold-colored frames, and each frame has four little gold-colored "folding tabs" to hold the colored petal panel in place -- and every single one of those tabs has a tiny swastika etched into it.

Of course, when I actually used the lamp as a nightlight the swastikas were invisible, since I kept the lamp on a high shelf. I didn't even know they were there when I bought the lamp.
Well, the only reason to have anything with a swastika on it in your house is because you're a Nazi (or sympathizer), but you claim you didn't consciously notice. So, you're subconsciously a Nazi? Maybe all that time on Stormfront rubbed off on you without you noticing. Have you called anyone a 'filthy mud person', a 'race traitor', or 'mongrel' lately?
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Post by Jennifer » 24 Oct 2014, 10:19

tr0g wrote:
Jennifer wrote:Hmm. I just remembered something, did a little checking in a back closet and -- although I can't post photos here, to show you, I do in fact have some non-Nazi swastikas in my house: a few years ago, in Montreal's Chinatown, I bought little "lotus" lamp: about six inches tall, base made of gold-colored plastic, topped by a black ball covered with gold Chinese script, topped by varicolored plastic panels which presumably are supposed to look like the petals of a lotus blossom; then you put a nightlight bulb in the middle of the petals. Anyway, those colored lotus petals are all in gold-colored frames, and each frame has four little gold-colored "folding tabs" to hold the colored petal panel in place -- and every single one of those tabs has a tiny swastika etched into it.

Of course, when I actually used the lamp as a nightlight the swastikas were invisible, since I kept the lamp on a high shelf. I didn't even know they were there when I bought the lamp.
Well, the only reason to have anything with a swastika on it in your house is because you're a Nazi (or sympathizer), but you claim you didn't consciously notice. So, you're subconsciously a Nazi? Maybe all that time on Stormfront rubbed off on you without you noticing. Have you called anyone a 'filthy mud person', a 'race traitor', or 'mongrel' lately?
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Post by Taktix® » 24 Oct 2014, 10:20

A swastika in a libertarian's house? A libertarian journalist, no less?!?

This could crash Gawker Media's whole server farm...
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Post by Jennifer » 24 Oct 2014, 10:36

Taktix® wrote:A swastika in a libertarian's house? A libertarian journalist, no less?!?

This could crash Gawker Media's whole server farm...
And Stormfront's, after they take umbrage at being associated with someone like me, dedicated to the extinction of the Glorious White Race.
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Post by Aresen » 24 Oct 2014, 11:00

I do remember something about the direction of the bend in the arms of the swastika being significant. The Nazi ones bent right (as you look out from the center) and the "ok" ones bent left.

There was supposedly some arcane significance about the direction of the bend.
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