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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Ellie » 30 Jun 2019, 21:12

I ultimately agree that people should read things before they sign them and that 20 is old enough to know to do that. But I am very sympathetic to the idea that a college intern would not keep an eye out for a non-compete contract because that's fucking bananas.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Highway » 30 Jun 2019, 22:42

dead_elvis wrote:
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Ok, I guess I have no idea what's going on with the kids nowadays. My lens is that I was so eager to get work experience and discovered much to my chagrin that after graduation people really didn't care about that nearly as much as high level skill, and that the work experience I was so eager to get is something that most people are burned out in 5-10 years and why was I so eager to jump start that fuse.
I don't think you're far off on that motivation, tho. These are students that are eager to get work experience, and do it as early as possible, because they think it will help them later (and depending on the field, it can help significantly). So they set up an internship, through the school even, maybe through an advisor that they look up to (and who it would get back to if they fucked it up), that gets them there faster and helps toward graduation. A lot of college students really want to get out of school. And they jump at the chance, and are presented with this poison pill right as they start. Even if they read it and are uncomfortable with it, there's an awful lot of pressure on that moment, all on the student.

BTW, how is it not unconscionable to stick a non-compete on a college intern that's there for a semester for a class? I mean, thinking about that more, that's just being dicks.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by thoreau » 30 Jun 2019, 23:02

BTW, most internships are not arranged via colleges these days. Most of my students who have done internships did it without any official university involvement. Maybe I put in a good word for someone, maybe they came to campus to interview, but the company hires them and the student gets money, not credit.

We generally only give them credit if they want credit for a project done at an internship site, something roughly akin to a senior project. But in order to get that credit they'd have to be enrolled at my institution while working at the company. If they do the internship during summer and aren't taking any other summer classes, nobody is going to pay a few units' worth of tuition for internship credit. Unless it's a requirement, which is the case at some places but not at most.

So while university-involved internships happen, they're far less common than internships arranged entirely by and with the company, without any official college or university involvement.
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Post by Mo » 01 Jul 2019, 14:35

Only a handful of schools have leverage over companies. The Harvards and MITs of the world can come up with policies for firms that recruit on campus like “no exploding offers” (a real policy). The UNC Ashevilles of the world cannot.
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Post by Ellie » 02 Jul 2019, 00:36

I just saw a Facebook ad for what appears to be a totally legitimate project -- a sort of saddle with handle, that you wrap around yourself like a back brace so a kid can ride on your back and play "horsey." Let me reiterate, this is a grab bar you strap on so someone can get on top of you while you're down on all fours, and the name of the product is Pony Up Daddy. I DO NOT THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR CHILDREN
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Re: Market Failure!

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Ellie wrote:
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I just saw a Facebook ad for what appears to be a totally legitimate project -- a sort of saddle with handle, that you wrap around yourself like a back brace so a kid can ride on your back and play "horsey." Let me reiterate, this is a grab bar you strap on so someone can get on top of you while you're down on all fours, and the name of the product is Pony Up Daddy. I DO NOT THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR CHILDREN
What could be more appropriate for children? It sounds magical.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Hugh Akston » 18 Aug 2019, 00:49

How are real estate/rental photos so bad? Do landlords not look at pictures before they post them online? And what fucking justification is there for ads without photos when everyone is carrying a camera with them at all times?
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by JD » 19 Aug 2019, 11:03

Ellie wrote:
02 Jul 2019, 00:36
I just saw a Facebook ad for what appears to be a totally legitimate project -- a sort of saddle with handle, that you wrap around yourself like a back brace so a kid can ride on your back and play "horsey." Let me reiterate, this is a grab bar you strap on so someone can get on top of you while you're down on all fours, and the name of the product is Pony Up Daddy. I DO NOT THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE FOR CHILDREN
On a somewhat related note I thought Ellie might appreciate, there's a somewhat legendary guitar effects pedal called the Klon Centaur. It came in a large golden enclosure with an image of a centaur on the front. Seeing as how it costs over $2500 on the used market these days, there' s a healthy market in clones. Most of them have some name and/or appearance that winks at the original, just to make it clear what they're copying, like the "Golden Horsey-Man" or something.

And yes, there is one pedal called - rather knowingly, IMO - the Ponyboy.

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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Ellie » 19 Aug 2019, 17:52

Ahahahahaha <3
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Aresen » 28 Aug 2019, 23:42

So, I decided to try buying some shoes on Amazon. My previous Amazon purchases have all been books or movies where size is not an issue, but the price seemed better than anything I could get locally.

I placed the order on August 12, at which time their system told me it would be shipped on August 15th and I could expect it by August 19 to 26th (I chose the slower, 'free delivery' option.)

On August 19th, I got an email saying it would be shipped that day and I could expect delivery by August 26th.

On August 26th, I got another email saying it would be shipped on the 26th or 27th.

Today, I finally went onto their website to track the order. It still had not been shipped.

I contacted their customer service department and was told that there had been a 'glitch' in the system (they verified the item was in stock). Their suggestion was that I cancel the order and re-order. I told them it was their problem, not mine and that they should fix it, not ask me to fix it. I have been promised a call tomorrow to confirm that the shoes have been shipped.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Mo » 02 Sep 2019, 17:09

So daddy, how did people think Bernie Sanders was a good idea for President.

Well son, first we had president Trump and then companies thought bringing back debt bondage was a good idea...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-compa ... 1567416601
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Mo wrote:
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So daddy, how did people think Bernie Sanders was a good idea for President.

Well son, first we had president Trump and then companies thought bringing back debt bondage was a good idea...

https://www.wsj.com/articles/some-compa ... 1567416601
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Post by Hugh Akston » 02 Sep 2019, 19:33

Both of my most recent employers offered small loans (among other financial services) through credit unions represented on campus. Not sure how this is different.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Aresen » 04 Sep 2019, 23:22

Aresen wrote:
28 Aug 2019, 23:42
So, I decided to try buying some shoes on Amazon. My previous Amazon purchases have all been books or movies where size is not an issue, but the price seemed better than anything I could get locally.

I placed the order on August 12, at which time their system told me it would be shipped on August 15th and I could expect it by August 19 to 26th (I chose the slower, 'free delivery' option.)

On August 19th, I got an email saying it would be shipped that day and I could expect delivery by August 26th.

On August 26th, I got another email saying it would be shipped on the 26th or 27th.

Today, I finally went onto their website to track the order. It still had not been shipped.

I contacted their customer service department and was told that there had been a 'glitch' in the system (they verified the item was in stock). Their suggestion was that I cancel the order and re-order. I told them it was their problem, not mine and that they should fix it, not ask me to fix it. I have been promised a call tomorrow to confirm that the shoes have been shipped.
After 23 days, the shoes finally arrived. And they fit.

Amazon has not covered itself with glory here.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Jennifer » 07 Sep 2019, 15:06

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Maybe not full-fledged "market failure," but definitely some "market shenanigans" IMO: regarding clothes, a tag announcing that a garment is "100% silk" or "pure Irish linen" or whatever is not necessarily honest; the cloth used to make the main garment might well be woven from pure linen or silk, but the threads used to sew that cloth into clothes are often artificial.

Source: I finally got around to dyeing some of the "good clothes in bad colors" I've been buying ever since I moved to Atlanta and realized my New England-grade summer gear does not cut it for summertime down here. Rit-brand fabric dye basically comes in two varieties: one for natural fibers, one for artificial. Since my summer clothes are all silk or linen, I've been using the natural-fiber dye. Some of those shirts took the dye 100 percent -- as in, a formerly yellow-green shirt is now entirely a shade of faded-denim chambray blue -- but other shirts now have the "contrasting threads" look which, I guess, was popular for about three weeks in the 1970s, if certain old episodes of the Carol Burnett Show and other sketch-comedies from the era are to be believed: such as, a certain linen shirt that was originally a bold pink color (attractive on some complexions, no doubt, but mine is not one of them) is now a shade of lavender which does look okay on me ... but the threads used for stitching that garment remain their original pink.
Update should anyone be interested: Rit-brand fabric dyes do NOT last long. I'm currently wearing an old linen shirt -- the same shirt mentioned in this comment -- it's pink again. If you inspect the garment very, very closely, you can see here and there a few spots where some of the blue dye remains, but the whole "seam threads are in a color contrasting the rest of the garment" thing is GONE. (Before you're tempted to point out "Hey, that was over a year ago now, which arguably isn't a bad run for cheap dye" -- over the course of that year I doubt I wore and washed this particular shirt more than three times.)

Luckily, by now I've been able to acquire enough decent-for-me clothes that it doesn't matter so much. But it's still fairly disappointing.
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Post by Wixenstyx » 19 Oct 2019, 18:20

Yeah, that's been an issue with Rit dyes. There are 'fixer' products on the market, as well as various strategies reported on various crafty websites, but I've tried them all and never had much luck avoiding the inevitable fading.

What's dumb is that there are clearly better dyes out there in the world, because I have tons and tons of clothes that don't fade to this extent. The fact that these are not on the market really makes me wonder what kind of ridiculous chemicals we are wearing in our commercial-grade clothing.
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Post by Warren » 19 Oct 2019, 20:22

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Yeah, that's been an issue with Rit dyes. There are 'fixer' products on the market, as well as various strategies reported on various crafty websites, but I've tried them all and never had much luck avoiding the inevitable fading.

What's dumb is that there are clearly better dyes out there in the world, because I have tons and tons of clothes that don't fade to this extent. The fact that these are not on the market really makes me wonder what kind of ridiculous chemicals we are wearing in our commercial-grade clothing.
Well there's also the matter of when you do the dying. You can get much more colorfast dying the wool than you can dying the yarn. And even less dying the fabric once it's been woven.
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Post by Wixenstyx » 21 Oct 2019, 22:16

Ah, good point!
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Jennifer » 22 Oct 2019, 01:34

Wixenstyx wrote:
19 Oct 2019, 18:20
Yeah, that's been an issue with Rit dyes. There are 'fixer' products on the market, as well as various strategies reported on various crafty websites, but I've tried them all and never had much luck avoiding the inevitable fading.

What's dumb is that there are clearly better dyes out there in the world, because I have tons and tons of clothes that don't fade to this extent. The fact that these are not on the market really makes me wonder what kind of ridiculous chemicals we are wearing in our commercial-grade clothing.
Two possibilities occur to me: I resorted to buying and dyeing "good clothes in bad colors" when I was still limited to only getting linen or super-thin silk for summer; once I learned (thanks to Nicole IIRC) that rayon is also an excellent fabric for hot and humid conditions, the number of good, my-size AND my-color thrift store findings got MUCH larger. And rayon and its variants are considered "natural" rather than "synthetic" fibers although IMO that's inaccurate since rayon, viscose, etc. fibers do not exist in nature, but are made of cellulose via a fairly advanced chemical/manufacturing process. (This, incidentally, is what made me mistakenly avoid rayon for hot-n-humid climates, since I knew it was a "modern manufactured" textile, and thought it would be like polyester and not "breathe.") I wonder if something about the chemical or even physical structure of "manufactured" fibers, rather than "natural" fibers such as wool, cotton, flax etc. makes them better at holding color chemicals?

Two: I gather than for dunk-in-liquid dyes like Rit, they require a high temperature for the water. It's certainly likely that cloth-dyeing factories can heat their dyes hotter, and heat the fibers far longer, than I did with a stockpot and a kitchen stovetop.

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Post by Warren » 23 Oct 2019, 20:26

It's getting to where every app on my phone has an updated every day. I assume this is because they have a new advertisement for me to ignore. But it's a pain in the ass waiting for 20 apps to update not knowing which ones will actually change functionality.
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Re: Market Failure!

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The last iOS update screwed up my phone something fierce. tapatalk hangs all the time for example. Everything seems slower.

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Warren wrote:
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It's getting to where every app on my phone has an updated every day. I assume this is because they have a new advertisement for me to ignore. But it's a pain in the ass waiting for 20 apps to update not knowing which ones will actually change functionality.
Why do you have to wait for them? Mine update in the background.
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JasonL wrote:
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The last iOS update screwed up my phone something fierce. tapatalk hangs all the time for example. Everything seems slower.
I am disgruntled as well. Mostly over the deletion of the Find Friends app. Like srsly?
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Post by Warren » 24 Oct 2019, 10:22

JD wrote:
24 Oct 2019, 10:19
Warren wrote:
23 Oct 2019, 20:26
It's getting to where every app on my phone has an updated every day. I assume this is because they have a new advertisement for me to ignore. But it's a pain in the ass waiting for 20 apps to update not knowing which ones will actually change functionality.
Why do you have to wait for them? Mine update in the background.
That's true. I posted just after I wanted a particular app to update and I hit "update all" out of habit and the one I was waiting for was low on the list.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Aresen » 24 Oct 2019, 11:10

Warren wrote:
24 Oct 2019, 10:20
JasonL wrote:
24 Oct 2019, 09:27
The last iOS update screwed up my phone something fierce. tapatalk hangs all the time for example. Everything seems slower.
I am disgruntled as well. Mostly over the deletion of the Find Friends app. Like srsly?
Is there a 'Hide Friends' app?
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