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Re: Market Failure!

Post by lunchstealer » 08 Jun 2018, 14:51

Resolved: I should've been an electrical engineer so I could build all the crazy stuff I have ideas for. I'm fairly certain I could make a nice little bit of cash if I built a timer on my oven that just quietly recorded the amount of time since I last closed or opened the door. Almost every oven these days has at least a small microprocessor in it and a clock, so it'd be easy to add a sensor and a timing subroutine that would store the clock time every time it got an interrupt from the door-close sensor. Then you could just push a button and have it display minutes/seconds since the last time the door opened or closed. Advanced ones could also store the last time the door opened and/or stopped at the 'broil' setting.

Basically I want a way to figure out how long ago I put that pizza in so I can correct for the fact that I forgot to start the timer.

I betcha Samsung would license that patent for a few grand if I knew who to pitch it to.

But I'd settle for all the oven manufacturers to just steal that idea, especially if Whirlpool would retroactively enable it on my current oven.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Warren » 08 Jun 2018, 15:18

lunchstealer wrote:
08 Jun 2018, 14:51
Resolved: I should've been an electrical engineer so I could build all the crazy stuff I have ideas for. I'm fairly certain I could make a nice little bit of cash if I built a timer on my oven that just quietly recorded the amount of time since I last closed or opened the door. Almost every oven these days has at least a small microprocessor in it and a clock, so it'd be easy to add a sensor and a timing subroutine that would store the clock time every time it got an interrupt from the door-close sensor. Then you could just push a button and have it display minutes/seconds since the last time the door opened or closed. Advanced ones could also store the last time the door opened and/or stopped at the 'broil' setting.

Basically I want a way to figure out how long ago I put that pizza in so I can correct for the fact that I forgot to start the timer.

I betcha Samsung would license that patent for a few grand if I knew who to pitch it to.

But I'd settle for all the oven manufacturers to just steal that idea, especially if Whirlpool would retroactively enable it on my current oven.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by lunchstealer » 08 Jun 2018, 16:26

Of course I don't. well not physical products anyway.

Not that I want to make a career of building crazy stuff I have ideas for. I don't have crazy ideas all that often. Well not ones that could be implemented in the physical world. I mean, you can't grab some parts from radio shack and gin up a 'accidentally find yourself seated next to Rachel Weisz* on a plane and be charming and funny in a masculine sort of way so she makes you her bit on the side for whenever she's at some sort of gala in Denver which in this scenario would happen a few times a year'.

*especially because the soldering required to keep Daniel Craig from finding out and killing me brutally would be way beyond my ability.

And none of this is the point. I want someone to make it easy for me so that when I'm a dumbass and have no idea how long ago I put it in the oven, I can push a button and find out what to set my timer for so my pizza doesn't come out either burned or still frozen in the middle. If you're so smart about product development, you need to get on that and make my dreams a goddamned reality.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Kwix » 08 Jun 2018, 16:37

I mean, not OEM but all your answers and more can be found here:
https://www.adafruit.com/

I'd suggest looking to arduinos and say, tying it into the door switch for your oven light.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by dhex » 08 Jun 2018, 18:12

lunchstealer wrote:
08 Jun 2018, 16:26
And none of this is the point. I want someone to make it easy for me so that when I'm a dumbass and have no idea how long ago I put it in the oven, I can push a button and find out what to set my timer for so my pizza doesn't come out either burned or still frozen in the middle. If you're so smart about product development, you need to get on that and make my dreams a goddamned reality.
i'm sort of dumb so bear with me but you want the pizza to tell you how long to cook it after it's in the oven? or the oven to know what the pizza is doing?
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Jadagul » 08 Jun 2018, 19:06

dhex wrote:
08 Jun 2018, 18:12
lunchstealer wrote:
08 Jun 2018, 16:26
And none of this is the point. I want someone to make it easy for me so that when I'm a dumbass and have no idea how long ago I put it in the oven, I can push a button and find out what to set my timer for so my pizza doesn't come out either burned or still frozen in the middle. If you're so smart about product development, you need to get on that and make my dreams a goddamned reality.
i'm sort of dumb so bear with me but you want the pizza to tell you how long to cook it after it's in the oven? or the oven to know what the pizza is doing?
He wants the oven to know when he put the pizza in. Which he figures you could do by keeping track of when the oven was most recently opened.

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Re: Market Failure!

Post by lunchstealer » 08 Jun 2018, 19:24

Jadagul wrote:
08 Jun 2018, 19:06
dhex wrote:
08 Jun 2018, 18:12
lunchstealer wrote:
08 Jun 2018, 16:26
And none of this is the point. I want someone to make it easy for me so that when I'm a dumbass and have no idea how long ago I put it in the oven, I can push a button and find out what to set my timer for so my pizza doesn't come out either burned or still frozen in the middle. If you're so smart about product development, you need to get on that and make my dreams a goddamned reality.
i'm sort of dumb so bear with me but you want the pizza to tell you how long to cook it after it's in the oven? or the oven to know what the pizza is doing?
He wants the oven to know when he put the pizza in. Which he figures you could do by keeping track of when the oven was most recently opened.
I often put some sort of food in the oven at time t0 to cook for X amount of time, and then glancing out the window i am distracted by a baby wolf or the yellow-eyed devil or a butterfly or something. I then notice at time ty, which might be two to twenty minutes after t0, that I never set a timer. Now, if I know what t0 is, it's a fairly simple matter to set the timer for X - ( ∆t ) and hooray, all is well. But I often don't know when I put the food in the oven, so I have no way of knowing what ∆t is.

So if there's a sensor on the oven that detects the oven door closing, and just quietly starts an internal timer at that point, you can press the 'how long has it been in the oven' button, it reads out the time since the door closed, and bob's your mother's brother.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Ellie » 08 Jun 2018, 23:03

I would absolutely buy that product. I'm horrible about remembering to start the oven timer.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by dhex » 09 Jun 2018, 07:00

Huh.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by lunchstealer » 09 Jun 2018, 21:26

Y'know how there are exercises where you try to do a task while people whisper in your ear to help neurotypicals simulate/understand schizophrenia? We need something like that for ADD, because seriously I can't imagine how anyone COULDN'T understand forgetting to set an oven timer while cooking.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Highway » 09 Jun 2018, 23:23

Our Breville oven timer starts counting down as soon as it's preheated, and then turns off when it gets to zero. That might be something that could help you, at least you wouldn't come back to charcoal briquette pizza. As a plus, the Breville is an excellent kitchen appliance. We use it as our main oven most of the time.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by dhex » 10 Jun 2018, 06:30

lunchstealer wrote:
09 Jun 2018, 21:26
Y'know how there are exercises where you try to do a task while people whisper in your ear to help neurotypicals simulate/understand schizophrenia? We need something like that for ADD, because seriously I can't imagine how anyone COULDN'T understand forgetting to set an oven timer while cooking.
I live with an adhd-er who has done this.

I'm more of a paranoid type so forgetting that seems unpossible.
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Post by Warren » 10 Jun 2018, 11:00

My thing is to set the time on the timer and then not start it.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Jadagul » 10 Jun 2018, 16:14

I do forget to set the timer sometimes.

But when I do set the timer I generally set it short deliberately, because I want to decide when to take stuff out using my own judgment. So if I forget to set the timer I just err on the side of shorter and have to check a bit more before it's right.

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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Painboy » 11 Jun 2018, 12:30

lunchstealer wrote:
08 Jun 2018, 19:24
Jadagul wrote:
08 Jun 2018, 19:06
dhex wrote:
08 Jun 2018, 18:12
lunchstealer wrote:
08 Jun 2018, 16:26
And none of this is the point. I want someone to make it easy for me so that when I'm a dumbass and have no idea how long ago I put it in the oven, I can push a button and find out what to set my timer for so my pizza doesn't come out either burned or still frozen in the middle. If you're so smart about product development, you need to get on that and make my dreams a goddamned reality.
i'm sort of dumb so bear with me but you want the pizza to tell you how long to cook it after it's in the oven? or the oven to know what the pizza is doing?
He wants the oven to know when he put the pizza in. Which he figures you could do by keeping track of when the oven was most recently opened.
I often put some sort of food in the oven at time t0 to cook for X amount of time, and then glancing out the window i am distracted by a baby wolf or the yellow-eyed devil or a butterfly or something. I then notice at time ty, which might be two to twenty minutes after t0, that I never set a timer. Now, if I know what t0 is, it's a fairly simple matter to set the timer for X - ( ∆t ) and hooray, all is well. But I often don't know when I put the food in the oven, so I have no way of knowing what ∆t is.

So if there's a sensor on the oven that detects the oven door closing, and just quietly starts an internal timer at that point, you can press the 'how long has it been in the oven' button, it reads out the time since the door closed, and bob's your mother's brother.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Jasper » 11 Jun 2018, 13:16

lunchstealer wrote:
08 Jun 2018, 16:26
Of course I don't. well not physical products anyway.

Not that I want to make a career of building crazy stuff I have ideas for. I don't have crazy ideas all that often. Well not ones that could be implemented in the physical world. I mean, you can't grab some parts from radio shack and gin up a 'accidentally find yourself seated next to Rachel Weisz* on a plane and be charming and funny in a masculine sort of way so she makes you her bit on the side for whenever she's at some sort of gala in Denver which in this scenario would happen a few times a year'.

*especially because the soldering required to keep Daniel Craig from finding out and killing me brutally would be way beyond my ability.

And none of this is the point. I want someone to make it easy for me so that when I'm a dumbass and have no idea how long ago I put it in the oven, I can push a button and find out what to set my timer for so my pizza doesn't come out either burned or still frozen in the middle. If you're so smart about product development, you need to get on that and make my dreams a goddamned reality.
My buddy that moved out to CO a few years ago is a tinkerer like you.

One thing he did when they started keeping a few chickens was to basically wire the coop with lights and sensors and timers so that the hens are fed, watered, and let loose in the bigger pen all automatically or through a Raspberry Pi app.

ETA - which does absolutely nothing for the epidemic of oven-timer angst that infests the Gryll. Weird.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Aresen » 11 Jun 2018, 15:04

Who needs an oven timer? When you can smell smoke, it's done!
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Kwix » 11 Jun 2018, 18:22

Aresen wrote:
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Who needs an oven timer? When you can smell smoke, it's done!
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Jasper » 12 Jun 2018, 12:55

Kwix wrote:
11 Jun 2018, 18:22
Aresen wrote:
11 Jun 2018, 15:04
Who needs an oven timer? When you can smell smoke, it's done!
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by lunchstealer » 12 Jun 2018, 18:54

FWIW, I am not a tinkerer. I just think if I'd followed a different career path I might have decided to be one. Then again, my fine motor skills are terrible, so anything that involves soldering would probably have been a terrible career path for me.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Warren » 12 Jun 2018, 20:00

lunchstealer wrote:
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FWIW, I am not a tinkerer. I just think if I'd followed a different career path I might have decided to be one. Then again, my fine motor skills are terrible, so anything that involves soldering would probably have been a terrible career path for me.
I wanted to be a tinkerer. I was an electronics technician for a decade and then became an electrical engineer. But I could never do anything at home because I never had enough room, decent soldering irons were out of my price range, and the Radio Shack was the only place to get components and their selection was limited and all their employees were: How did your brain even learn human speech?
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by lunchstealer » 12 Jun 2018, 22:47

Warren wrote:
12 Jun 2018, 20:00
lunchstealer wrote:
12 Jun 2018, 18:54
FWIW, I am not a tinkerer. I just think if I'd followed a different career path I might have decided to be one. Then again, my fine motor skills are terrible, so anything that involves soldering would probably have been a terrible career path for me.
I wanted to be a tinkerer. I was an electronics technician for a decade and then became an electrical engineer. But I could never do anything at home because I never had enough room, decent soldering irons were out of my price range, and the Radio Shack was the only place to get components and their selection was limited and all their employees were: How did your brain even learn human speech?
For a while I lived in the same city as a Fry's and that seemed pretty awesome, the farthest I got down that road was custom-assembling a computer.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Mo » 08 Jul 2018, 16:00

Ahh Wall Street, making socialist commentaries on capitalism seem accurate.

For those that don’t get the intricacies of finance or don’t want to incognito into the WSJ, the short of it is that:
1) Blackstone made a loan at below market rates to a home builder.
2) Blackstone took out a CDS (essentially default insurance) on said loan to the builder
3) It was later revealed that one of the terms of the loan was that the builder would default on one itty bitty interest payment on said loans, triggering default on the CDS
4) The issuer of the CDS sued Blackstone for fraud and market manipulation and a judge said that it was neither of those thing (WAT!?!?!?)
5) The CFTC has to eventually negotiate with both parties to ensure this didn’t happen because it would fuck up financial markets

What I want to know is how the judge in #4 found this legal.
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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Jadagul » 08 Jul 2018, 16:09

Oh man, I love those trades. Matt Levine has written about a bunch of trades like that lately (and if you're not reading Matt Levine, you should; he's great).

And I dunno. I'm not a finance guy, but that seems kind of obviously legal to me---if Wall Street bankers aren't going around exploiting the ridiculous fine print in obscure contracts, what's even the point?

(I'm really sympathetic to Levine's philosophy here: when you find one of these loopholes, you get a whole pile of money in one or two transactions, and then everyone sits down and figures out how to close the loophole).

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Re: Market Failure!

Post by Mo » 08 Jul 2018, 16:32

Jadagul wrote:
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And I dunno. I'm not a finance guy, but that seems kind of obviously legal to me---if Wall Street bankers aren't going around exploiting the ridiculous fine print in obscure contracts, what's even the point?
This is basically the finance equivalent of taking out a huge fire insurance contract and then setting the smallest qualifying fire in your own property to collect the amount that's larger than the damage.
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