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Re: Inequality

Post by nicole » 27 Apr 2018, 09:35

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Post by JasonL » 27 Apr 2018, 10:08

There is no evidence people can’t find meaningful work relative to any point in history. Does the job require a skill, is it where you are located, are you willing /able to retrain or move if not? This is all nonsense if you recognize that a job exists to satisfy a demand that isn’t trivial to meet. Who among the persistently unemployed is going to be your national childcare provider?

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Re: Inequality

Post by Warren » 27 Apr 2018, 10:27

JasonL wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 10:08
There is no evidence people can’t find meaningful work relative to any point in history.
What? Did you just say high unemployment isn't, and has never been, a thing?
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Re: Inequality

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Re: Inequality

Post by Jasper » 27 Apr 2018, 11:03

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Re: Inequality

Post by JasonL » 27 Apr 2018, 11:06

It’s cyclical, it isn’t happening now, and relative to other parts of history there’s no evidence that it’s a new thing that there are no jobs to be had. There is evidence of working age people (males) opting out of looking for work at higher rates, but that doesn’t mean there are no jobs.

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Re: Inequality

Post by Mo » 27 Apr 2018, 11:36

Bernie won't last past Super Tuesday.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Painboy » 27 Apr 2018, 11:43

Mo wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 11:36
Bernie won't last past Super Tuesday.
I would tend to agree but who do you think is going to push him out?

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Re: Inequality

Post by Shem » 27 Apr 2018, 12:15

JasonL wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 10:08
Who among the persistently unemployed is going to be your national childcare provider?
TANF participants. There's more than a few I know who could be maintaining small-scale childcare operations but for licensing and insurance.
Painboy wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 11:43
I would tend to agree but who do you think is going to push him out?
The unholy pairing of either Biden/Booker or Klobuchar/Castro (Julian, not Raul). Or possibly Klobuchar/Booker. Bernie got the reaction he did because people were desperate for an alternative to Clinton, so they went for the only one available.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Mo » 27 Apr 2018, 13:57

Painboy wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 11:43
Mo wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 11:36
Bernie won't last past Super Tuesday.
I would tend to agree but who do you think is going to push him out?
Shem's list and about 10 other potential candidates. Bernie is the Rick Santorum of the Ds. Also, Biden will not be the nominee.
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Re: Inequality

Post by tr0g » 27 Apr 2018, 14:18

Mo wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 13:57
Painboy wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 11:43
Mo wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 11:36
Bernie won't last past Super Tuesday.
I would tend to agree but who do you think is going to push him out?
Shem's list and about 10 other potential candidates. Bernie is the Rick Santorum of the Ds. Also, Biden will not be the nominee.
I like a Biden campaign just for the lulz creepy Uncle Joe will generate in the process. I don't see him winning the nom, but I said that about McCain and Trump, too, so WTF do I know? I can't predict republican voters and I'm surrounded by them. Donks are a mystery to me.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Eric the .5b » 27 Apr 2018, 14:24

Whatever happens, it won't be Clinton. That's the one certainty.
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Re: Inequality

Post by tr0g » 27 Apr 2018, 14:32

Eric the .5b wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 14:24
Whatever happens, it won't be Clinton. That's the one certainty.
She doesn't appear to be done draining the DNC of all available funds yet. I'm waiting for the eventual price tag on that dumbass lawsuit to be the straw that breaks them.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Jasper » 27 Apr 2018, 16:19

Shem wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 12:15
JasonL wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 10:08
Who among the persistently unemployed is going to be your national childcare provider?
TANF participants. There's more than a few I know who could be maintaining small-scale childcare operations but for licensing and insurance.
Perfect. We need a national government program to employ childcare workers who can't self-employ because of governmental licensing restrictions.

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Re: Inequality

Post by Jennifer » 27 Apr 2018, 16:23

Jasper wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 16:19
They can start the Hole Diggers' Guild and the Filler-In Society while they're at it.
Worse than that -- at least your example "only" wastes money and people's time, without actually harming people or violating their rights. Most likely, we'll end up with more post-9/11 make-work programs such as ICE and the TSA.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Shem » 27 Apr 2018, 16:25

tr0g wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 14:32
Eric the .5b wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 14:24
Whatever happens, it won't be Clinton. That's the one certainty.
She doesn't appear to be done draining the DNC of all available funds yet. I'm waiting for the eventual price tag on that dumbass lawsuit to be the straw that breaks them.
Eh, people thought the DNC's lawsuit against Nixon's campaign was stupid too, until they won it.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Eric the .5b » 27 Apr 2018, 17:14

Shem wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 16:25
tr0g wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 14:32
Eric the .5b wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 14:24
Whatever happens, it won't be Clinton. That's the one certainty.
She doesn't appear to be done draining the DNC of all available funds yet. I'm waiting for the eventual price tag on that dumbass lawsuit to be the straw that breaks them.
Eh, people thought the DNC's lawsuit against Nixon's campaign was stupid too, until they won it.
Like Sagan said, people laughed at Bozo the Clown, too. Everything I've read on the DNC suit suggests that it's not only desperate, but downright incompetent.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Mo » 27 Apr 2018, 20:13

The only smart thing about it that I've read is that discovery for that case may act as a mild backstop if Mueller is fired. But then I saw they slapped on RICO and realized they were actually dumb.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Dangerman » 29 Apr 2018, 13:40

Shem wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 12:15
JasonL wrote:
27 Apr 2018, 10:08
Who among the persistently unemployed is going to be your national childcare provider?
TANF participants. There's more than a few I know who could be maintaining small-scale childcare operations but for licensing and insurance.
Yes! Yes! It would solve so many of the problems our participants have. That, and a rural carpool network that would meaningfully compensate vehicle owners/drivers for providing transportation for TANF/SSDI recipients without needing exorbitant liability insurance a la a licensed taxi.

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Re: Inequality

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There were some pretty funny replies -- can't choose a favorite between "People with toilet paper are literally paying to wipe their ass!" and "People with food are literally paying to use their digestive systems! Except in socialist countries. Because they don't have any food."
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Re: Inequality

Post by thoreau » 01 Aug 2018, 19:28

I want to unsee that Tweet. Is there a capitalist whom I can pay to make that happen?
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Re: Inequality

Post by Aresen » 01 Aug 2018, 19:35

Ellie wrote:
01 Aug 2018, 19:19

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https://twitter.com/dinaa_farinaa/status/1022963480268361728
There were some pretty funny replies -- can't choose a favorite between "People with toilet paper are literally paying to wipe their ass!" and "People with food are literally paying to use their digestive systems! Except in socialist countries. Because they don't have any food."
Dammit, Ellie, you got me to look at the replies! Yes, there were a couple of funny ones, but they were buried under a mountain of stupid. Now I have to go look at some pr0n to cleanse my mind.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Warren » 02 Aug 2018, 21:14

Aresen wrote:
01 Aug 2018, 19:35
Ellie wrote:
01 Aug 2018, 19:19

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https://twitter.com/dinaa_farinaa/status/1022963480268361728
There were some pretty funny replies -- can't choose a favorite between "People with toilet paper are literally paying to wipe their ass!" and "People with food are literally paying to use their digestive systems! Except in socialist countries. Because they don't have any food."
Dammit, Ellie, you got me to look at the replies! Yes, there were a couple of funny ones, but they were buried under a mountain of stupid. Now I have to go look at some pr0n to cleanse my mind.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Ellie » 13 Aug 2018, 11:55

Shared appreciatively by a friend of mine. Yikes.

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Inequality

Post by JasonL » 13 Aug 2018, 12:30

It’s pretty natural to starve. Then it was pretty natural to work the land all day every day and still starve with high frequency. It’s because of capitalist surplus you have it in your head that anything other than those options is an option. Then the thing becomes how natural is it for some people to work 40+ explicitly so you don’t have to?

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