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Re: Inequality

Post by Fin Fang Foom » 16 Dec 2017, 11:34

JasonL wrote:
15 Dec 2017, 17:02
It’s all houses. It’s people and their fucking houses.
I am hoping that California's new "eat a dick, nimbys" state laws are successful and are expanded and emulated, because fuck nimbys.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Warren » 16 Dec 2017, 11:39

Fin Fang Foom wrote:
16 Dec 2017, 11:34
JasonL wrote:
15 Dec 2017, 17:02
It’s all houses. It’s people and their fucking houses.
I am hoping that California's new "eat a dick, nimbys" state laws are successful and are expanded and emulated, because fuck nimbys.
I haven't heard about these.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Jennifer » 16 Dec 2017, 11:41

Yeah, what about these no-NIMBY laws? They would be hugely helpful if passed, and copied elsewhere; a LOT of Americans' current economic problems are directly traceable to "the rent is too damned high"; if housing prices got reasonable again (especially in the cities where the jobs actually are) that alone would make a HYOOOOGE difference.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Fin Fang Foom » 16 Dec 2017, 11:41

Warren wrote:
16 Dec 2017, 11:39
Fin Fang Foom wrote:
16 Dec 2017, 11:34
JasonL wrote:
15 Dec 2017, 17:02
It’s all houses. It’s people and their fucking houses.
I am hoping that California's new "eat a dick, nimbys" state laws are successful and are expanded and emulated, because fuck nimbys.
I haven't heard about these.
Passed this year, they create some ability for the state govt to cut through local red tape. I know little about them otherwise.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Warren » 16 Dec 2017, 11:45

Jennifer wrote:
16 Dec 2017, 11:41
Yeah, what about these no-NIMBY laws? They would be hugely helpful if passed, and copied elsewhere; a LOT of Americans' current economic problems are directly traceable to "the rent is too damned high"; if housing prices got reasonable again (especially in the cities where the jobs actually are) that alone would make a HYOOOOGE difference.
My thought was more waste processing than affordable housing. Though now that you mention it, pretty much any project stymied by nimbyism, would result in lower home prices.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Sandy » 16 Dec 2017, 16:11

Someone from the Bay Area labeled themselves a YIMBY. Is that what that's in reference to?
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Re: Inequality

Post by Jadagul » 16 Dec 2017, 18:26

Yeah. YIMBYs are anti-NIMBYs.

I'm seriously considering trying to make a point of going to my local councilmember's community meetings and being a pain in the ass asking about what he's doing to make it easier for people to build large residential complexes around here.

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Re: Inequality

Post by Ellie » 03 Feb 2018, 21:27

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I kind of wish capitalism was a system that could target individual people with individual goals, because then it could decide some people are too stupid to participate in society.
I should have listened to Warren. He was right again as usual.

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Post by Eric the .5b » 03 Feb 2018, 21:33

So, to keep The Struggling Masses (whoever they are) from fucking shit up, Capitalism forces the exact problems that people use to justify fucking shit up in the first place...

That is the most strangely circular argument. No, not even circular, it's a hyperbola.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Aresen » 03 Feb 2018, 21:48

Ellie wrote:
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I kind of wish capitalism was a system that could target individual people with individual goals, because then it could decide some people are too stupid to participate in society.
I really do wish that fuckheads like that could spend a year in a pre-capitalist society.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Warren » 03 Feb 2018, 23:27

Aresen wrote:
03 Feb 2018, 21:48
Ellie wrote:
03 Feb 2018, 21:27
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I kind of wish capitalism was a system that could target individual people with individual goals, because then it could decide some people are too stupid to participate in society.
I really do wish that fuckheads like that could spend a year in a pre-capitalist society.
How did JasonL put it?
They should be forced to live in the society they wish for.
Something like that.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Dangerman » 04 Feb 2018, 12:29

I wish they would just go collectively own a business for a few weeks ago they could figure out why we don't do it that way.

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Re: Inequality

Post by Warren » 04 Feb 2018, 13:14

Dangerman wrote:
04 Feb 2018, 12:29
I wish they would just go collectively own a business for a few weeks ago they could figure out why we don't do it that way.
That would get you nowhere. There would be absolutely no understanding that the business went bust because they mismanaged it. It's all crapitalism kills all the way down.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Mo » 04 Feb 2018, 13:37

Dangerman wrote:
04 Feb 2018, 12:29
I wish they would just go collectively own a business for a few weeks ago they could figure out why we don't do it that way.
Aren't there a bunch of co-ops? Like REI.
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Re: Inequality

Post by JasonL » 04 Feb 2018, 13:52

My sister was a business owner. Was defrauded by her “friend” accountant. Was abused by friend employees who just needed some money here and there my kid is sick etc. learned absolutely nothing useful. Learned that people in business are mean.

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Re: Inequality

Post by Aresen » 04 Feb 2018, 13:56

Mo wrote:
04 Feb 2018, 13:37
Dangerman wrote:
04 Feb 2018, 12:29
I wish they would just go collectively own a business for a few weeks ago they could figure out why we don't do it that way.
Aren't there a bunch of co-ops? Like REI.
I am a member of a co-op store locally. I buy most of my gas from them because I get a year-end rebate (~3% of purchases). I rarely buy groceries from them because their prices are higher than the chains (10 to 30 percent - not enough for the rebate to offset.)

It is run like a business, fairly well managed, but aside from the 'co-op' brands featured, indistinguishable from any small grocery.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Dangerman » 05 Feb 2018, 10:10

Do the floor staff or factory workers own the company at REI?

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Re: Inequality

Post by Mo » 05 Feb 2018, 10:24

No clue, but if company ownership is the line, then pretty much every airline and car company qualifies since the employees unions are shareholders as well. Until last December, GM had a UAW guy on their board.
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Re: Inequality

Post by nicole » 05 Feb 2018, 10:28

Warren wrote:
04 Feb 2018, 13:14
Dangerman wrote:
04 Feb 2018, 12:29
I wish they would just go collectively own a business for a few weeks ago they could figure out why we don't do it that way.
That would get you nowhere. There would be absolutely no understanding that the business went bust because they mismanaged it. It's all crapitalism kills all the way down.
Well also they explicitly don't want to work, that's kind of the whole thing of what he was saying
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Re: Inequality

Post by Warren » 05 Feb 2018, 12:19

JasonL wrote:
04 Feb 2018, 13:52
My sister was a business owner. Was defrauded by her “friend” accountant. Was abused by friend employees who just needed some money here and there my kid is sick etc. learned absolutely nothing useful. Learned that people in business are mean.
Out of curiosity, what business was your sister in?
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Re: Inequality

Post by JasonL » 05 Feb 2018, 12:33

She bought the salon she worked in. Has now exited and works a chair 4 days a week.

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Re: Inequality

Post by Eric the .5b » 05 Feb 2018, 13:57

nicole wrote:
05 Feb 2018, 10:28
Well also they explicitly don't want to work, that's kind of the whole thing of what he was saying
Yeah, I've encountered that, myself. "The system is evil because it requires us to work or starve."

Now, the person I'm quoting doesn't actually have a job and isn't starving, but she's also impervious to the "If you're not working, someone else has to for you to eat." argument.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Dangerman » 05 Feb 2018, 14:11

Mo wrote:
05 Feb 2018, 10:24
No clue, but if company ownership is the line, then pretty much every airline and car company qualifies since the employees unions are shareholders as well. Until last December, GM had a UAW guy on their board.
I guess I meant operate a business then.

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Re: Inequality

Post by nicole » 05 Feb 2018, 14:14

I mean, I agree with the sentiment, but I don't blame capitalism.
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Re: Inequality

Post by Mo » 05 Feb 2018, 14:23

Dangerman wrote:
05 Feb 2018, 14:11
Mo wrote:
05 Feb 2018, 10:24
No clue, but if company ownership is the line, then pretty much every airline and car company qualifies since the employees unions are shareholders as well. Until last December, GM had a UAW guy on their board.
I guess I meant operate a business then.
But there are lots of companies where the employees are the owners, though not necessarily the exclusive owners.
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