The Not-So- and All-Too-Real World of North Korea

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Post by JD » 01 Dec 2017, 11:06

Other news stories are saying he had the vials of atropine, but no syringe or auto-injector, so he would have had no way to use it.
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Post by Painboy » 01 Dec 2017, 11:57

JD wrote:
01 Dec 2017, 11:06
Other news stories are saying he had the vials of atropine, but no syringe or auto-injector, so he would have had no way to use it.
Being in the family he probably was well aware of any standing plans for assassinating defectors, but wasn't knowledgeable enough in how to actually know how to defend against it.

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Post by Aresen » 01 Dec 2017, 18:47

Painboy wrote:
01 Dec 2017, 11:57
JD wrote:
01 Dec 2017, 11:06
Other news stories are saying he had the vials of atropine, but no syringe or auto-injector, so he would have had no way to use it.
Being in the family he probably was well aware of any standing plans for assassinating defectors, but wasn't knowledgeable enough in how to actually know how to defend against it.
He was sort of the Fredo of the Kim mob.
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Post by Aresen » 19 Dec 2017, 22:03

I wonder if it has occurred to anyone that next month's summit meeting about North Korea in Vancouver puts all of Kim Jong Un's enemies in one place at one time, inside of the supposed range of his missiles?
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Post by Warren » 20 Dec 2017, 00:04

Aresen wrote:
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I wonder if it has occurred to anyone that next month's summit meeting about North Korea in Vancouver puts all of Kim Jong Un's enemies in one place at one time, inside of the supposed range of his missiles?
Yes. That's called a lure.
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Post by Aresen » 13 Jan 2018, 22:03

Maybe it is time to stop paying attention to the media. All of the media, including the intertubes, twitter, and whatever.
An early-morning emergency alert mistakenly warning of an incoming ballistic missile attack was dispatched to cellphones across Hawaii on Saturday, setting off widespread panic in a state that was already on edge because of escalating tensions between the United States and North Korea.

The alert, sent by the Hawaii Emergency Management Agency, was revoked 38 minutes after it was issued, prompting confusion over why it was released — and why it took so long to rescind. State officials and residents of a normally tranquil part of the Pacific, as well as tourists swept up in the panic, immediately expressed outrage.

“What happened today was totally unacceptable,” said Gov. David Y. Ige. “Many in our community were deeply affected by this. I am sorry for that pain and confusion that anyone might have experienced.”
Of course, Gov. Ige, it might help if you stopped feeding the anxiety.
The alert went out at about 8:10 a.m., lighting up phones of people still in bed, having coffee by the beach at a Waikiki resort, or up for an early surf. “BALLISTIC MISSILE THREAT INBOUND TO HAWAII. SEEK IMMEDIATE SHELTER. THIS IS NOT A DRILL,” it read.
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Post by Mo » 18 Apr 2018, 21:07

Tyler Cowen needs to read up on dictators. Kim's father was even more obsessed with South Korea culture. To the point where he kidnapped a leading director and actress and became their benefactor to finance any crazy fucking movie they wanted to make. He also forced them to stay married. And after what happened to Qaddafi, why would he loosen his grip even a tiny bit?
Second: Kim is only human and has to be thinking some about his own life. Does he want 40 or more years of lining up officials and executing them? These days the headlines are about K-pop in North Korea, such as when the popular girl group Red Velvet performed for Kim and his wife early in April. It turns out that Kim is quite the fan of South Korean popular culture -- long banned for his people, with brutal enforcement.
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Post by Aresen » 18 Apr 2018, 23:13

Mo wrote:
18 Apr 2018, 21:07
Tyler Cowen needs to read up on dictators. Kim's father was even more obsessed with South Korea culture. To the point where he kidnapped a leading director and actress and became their benefactor to finance any crazy fucking movie they wanted to make. He also forced them to stay married. And after what happened to Qaddafi, why would he loosen his grip even a tiny bit?
Second: Kim is only human and has to be thinking some about his own life. Does he want 40 or more years of lining up officials and executing them? These days the headlines are about K-pop in North Korea, such as when the popular girl group Red Velvet performed for Kim and his wife early in April. It turns out that Kim is quite the fan of South Korean popular culture -- long banned for his people, with brutal enforcement.
Well, it beats being put up against the wall yourself. Or decorating a lamp-post.
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Post by Warren » 19 Apr 2018, 13:35

Aresen wrote:
18 Apr 2018, 23:13
Mo wrote:
18 Apr 2018, 21:07
Tyler Cowen needs to read up on dictators. Kim's father was even more obsessed with South Korea culture. To the point where he kidnapped a leading director and actress and became their benefactor to finance any crazy fucking movie they wanted to make. He also forced them to stay married. And after what happened to Qaddafi, why would he loosen his grip even a tiny bit?
Second: Kim is only human and has to be thinking some about his own life. Does he want 40 or more years of lining up officials and executing them? These days the headlines are about K-pop in North Korea, such as when the popular girl group Red Velvet performed for Kim and his wife early in April. It turns out that Kim is quite the fan of South Korean popular culture -- long banned for his people, with brutal enforcement.
Well, it beats being put up against the wall yourself. Or decorating a lamp-post.
That's very tricky. Has anyone besides Khrushchev pull it off?
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Post by Shem » 19 Apr 2018, 14:34

Deng Xiaoping was more effective at it than Krushchev.
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Post by Warren » 19 Apr 2018, 16:42

Shem wrote:
19 Apr 2018, 14:34
Deng Xiaoping was more effective at it than Krushchev.
Deng died in office. Or wait, do you mean he successfully changed directions in favor of a market economy? Yeah, dang if Deng didn't dance the despot side-step.
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Post by Mo » 19 Apr 2018, 16:51

Aresen wrote:
18 Apr 2018, 23:13
Mo wrote:
18 Apr 2018, 21:07
Tyler Cowen needs to read up on dictators. Kim's father was even more obsessed with South Korea culture. To the point where he kidnapped a leading director and actress and became their benefactor to finance any crazy fucking movie they wanted to make. He also forced them to stay married. And after what happened to Qaddafi, why would he loosen his grip even a tiny bit?
Second: Kim is only human and has to be thinking some about his own life. Does he want 40 or more years of lining up officials and executing them? These days the headlines are about K-pop in North Korea, such as when the popular girl group Red Velvet performed for Kim and his wife early in April. It turns out that Kim is quite the fan of South Korean popular culture -- long banned for his people, with brutal enforcement.
Well, it beats being put up against the wall yourself. Or decorating a lamp-post.
That's the thing, dictators are more likely to get overthrown and hanged by their people when they lift the boot just a little. It would be better for global order if we went with the exile to Elba route with brutal dictators.
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Post by lunchstealer » 19 Apr 2018, 16:54

Dictatopia has always seemed like a good harm-reduction route.
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Post by Fin Fang Foom » 19 Apr 2018, 17:31

Mo wrote:
19 Apr 2018, 16:51
Aresen wrote:
18 Apr 2018, 23:13
Mo wrote:
18 Apr 2018, 21:07
Tyler Cowen needs to read up on dictators. Kim's father was even more obsessed with South Korea culture. To the point where he kidnapped a leading director and actress and became their benefactor to finance any crazy fucking movie they wanted to make. He also forced them to stay married. And after what happened to Qaddafi, why would he loosen his grip even a tiny bit?
Second: Kim is only human and has to be thinking some about his own life. Does he want 40 or more years of lining up officials and executing them? These days the headlines are about K-pop in North Korea, such as when the popular girl group Red Velvet performed for Kim and his wife early in April. It turns out that Kim is quite the fan of South Korean popular culture -- long banned for his people, with brutal enforcement.
Well, it beats being put up against the wall yourself. Or decorating a lamp-post.
That's the thing, dictators are more likely to get overthrown and hanged by their people when they lift the boot just a little. It would be better for global order if we went with the exile to Elba route with brutal dictators.
I think Kim is young enough and smart enough to realize that he dies violently or he dies as the North Korean Deng. North Korea is far more porous than it used to be. Whether he is smart enough to pull it off is another question.

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Post by Warren » 19 Apr 2018, 20:06

Fin Fang Foom wrote:
19 Apr 2018, 17:31
I think Kim is young enough and smart enough to realize that he dies violently or he dies as the North Korean Deng.
You do?
I haven't made a deep study of the man, but from what I hear, he doesn't even realize the world doesn't cease to exist because he closes his eyes.
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Post by D.A. Ridgely » 19 Apr 2018, 20:28

Maybe Trump can get him to open a Twitter account.

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Post by Jennifer » 20 Apr 2018, 15:32

I'd like to think he goes the Deng route, but IIRC when Un was purging various officials earlier in his reign, some of those people were purged precisely for suggesting the country make some Chinese-style reforms to its economy. Maybe Un's changed his mind about that over the past couple of years, but....
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Post by Aresen » 20 Apr 2018, 15:48

Warren wrote:
19 Apr 2018, 16:42
Shem wrote:
19 Apr 2018, 14:34
Deng Xiaoping was more effective at it than Krushchev.
Deng died in office.
????
The Infallible Wikipedia wrote:Deng Xiaoping 22 August 1904 – 19 February 1997) was a Chinese revolutionary and politician. He was the paramount leader of the People's Republic of China from 1978 until his retirement in 1989
Or wait, do you mean he successfully changed directions in favor of a market economy? Yeah, dang if Deng didn't dance the despot side-step.
Deng rose to the top at the end of a period where the Politburo members had been living in fear for their lives on a daily basis. They wanted personal safety. Also, the economy was in shambles after the Cultural Revolution. The need for reform was obvious. They knew they could not do it without an end to the infighting-to-the-death.
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Post by Aresen » 20 Apr 2018, 15:59

Jennifer wrote:
20 Apr 2018, 15:32
I'd like to think he goes the Deng route, but IIRC when Un was purging various officials earlier in his reign, some of those people were purged precisely for suggesting the country make some Chinese-style reforms to its economy. Maybe Un's changed his mind about that over the past couple of years, but....
I think the Un-Kim is too aware of what happened to Ceausescu, Honecker, and Jaruzelski to take the chance on loosening his grip. (Even among non-Communists, there are Reza Pahlavi, Mubarak and Quaddafi as examples of 'what could go wrong'.)

In addition to issues of continued personal health, there is also the likelihood he really enjoys power.
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Post by thoreau » 20 Apr 2018, 16:54

Aresen wrote:
20 Apr 2018, 15:48
Warren wrote:
19 Apr 2018, 16:42
Shem wrote:
19 Apr 2018, 14:34
Deng Xiaoping was more effective at it than Krushchev.
Deng died in office.
????
The Infallible Wikipedia wrote:Deng Xiaoping 22 August 1904 – 19 February 1997) was a Chinese revolutionary and politician. He was the paramount leader of the People's Republic of China from 1978 until his retirement in 1989
There are many types of retirement. There's full-on "I don't work here anymore, not my problem, whatevz" retirement, and then there's "I no longer have to attend meetings on a daily basis but powerful people are still loyal to me and respect my wishes" retirement. Deng had the later.
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Post by nicole » 02 May 2018, 15:57

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Post by Aresen » 02 May 2018, 16:13

nicole wrote:
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At this point, he has officially done more to earn a Nobel Peace Prize than his predecessor.
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Post by Shem » 02 May 2018, 16:26

I want to see a list. The North Koreans don't officially view ethnic Koreans as being anything other than Korean, no matter their citizenship. I want to know who they let out first.
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Post by Shem » 02 May 2018, 16:33

Here's the list. So, they haven't been released, the North Koreans are just saying they'll be released. At some point.
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